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Q: Songs Disappearing from iTunes

I've seen other threads on this marked as answered, but they clearly were not based on the posts in them. At first I thought I was going crazy, or maybe had lost some music when I transferred from my old machine to my new one, but now I have songs I know I bought since moving to the new machine that have disappeared. Not just randomly missing songs, but entire missing albums too. Of course, since backing up my music consisted of simply copying the iTunes folder to an external drive (admittedly lazy way, sure) it happily overwrite the folder as I told it to and thus my backups are missing the songs too. This is complete crap, and is NOT answered as the other threads claim. Even if support allows me to re-download everything (at this point, I couldn't even tell you for sure what I am missing since I don't recall everything I've bought) what stops this from happening in the future? If my hard earned money is just going to vaporize off my hard drive at random when I am trying to play by the rules and be legal, give me one good reason not to just save that money and just start pirating everything? Because as much as I don't like pirating, I don't like buying an entire CD for one good song even less, and I like having stuff I bought simply disappear even less than that.

What is the fix for this problem? If Apple lets me redownload everything, where is the proof this won't happen again? I NEED to have a legitimate answer to this question or you and the music industry can kiss my money goodbye. Limewire will be my new music source.

MacBook, Mac OS X (10.5.6)

Posted on Feb 11, 2009 8:34 AM

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  • by theystolemyusernametoo,

    theystolemyusernametoo theystolemyusernametoo Dec 21, 2012 1:37 PM in response to gizmonic
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    Dec 21, 2012 1:37 PM in response to gizmonic

    Me, too. Just discovered one album missing (fwiw, by Anaïs Mitchell, since some people have commented that diacritical marks trigger disappearing files). I don't even know how to find out whether anything else is missing.

     

    From now on I'm keeping all my iTunes receipts in my email folder. Receipts for any music I buy online, for that matter.

     

    Grrrrrr.

     

    (Also, I'm not sure when they updated the commenting system here, but it's been a while since I last commented, I had to re-log in, and now it's showing my prior username as "taken" and inaccessible to me also. Double grrrrrr.)

  • by glynfromathy,

    glynfromathy glynfromathy Dec 29, 2012 3:53 AM in response to theystolemyusernametoo
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    Dec 29, 2012 3:53 AM in response to theystolemyusernametoo

    Help!!!!!

     

    This really is amazing now, I am having this problem daily now; just todau I have spotted 6 albums which I had imported from CD, are now completely missing. No sign of the songs/folder anything to do with them. Without being too boring these are by an electronic musician Johannes Schmoelling, and I dont have the CDs any more nor can I buy them any longer. This is a disaster!

     

    I have had days where purchased music (both tracks and whole albums), have disappeared. The artwork is still in the library, but clicking on the song brings up the file no longer available would I like to locate it message. But there is no file.

     

    It's not too bad for the items in the cloud which you can redownload, but for the items like Ive mentioned above that are from CD they are lost forever.

     

    I emailed itunes support over this and got a reply basically telling me how to redownload from the cloud. I want to know why or how items are randomyl being deleted from my library.

     

    Does anyone at Apple/itunes read these? And if so is there any solution forthcoming?

     

    I can't explain how distraught I am over music I had which I cannot any longer get, which has simply disappeared.

     

    Glyn

  • by Lexiepex,

    Lexiepex Lexiepex Dec 29, 2012 4:04 AM in response to glynfromathy
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    Dec 29, 2012 4:04 AM in response to glynfromathy

    Go to (Finder) /yourname/music/itunes music/music  folder and look for "unknown artist" folder and/or "unknow album" folder. They are not lost unless you deleted them to the Trash bin. If they are there, make a copy with the Finder, before you do anything else.

    Then in iTunes look for unlabelled or numbered songs at the bottom of the list: click on them and "getInfo": put the name of the artist in and (if any) put the name of the album in, click ok, then they "disappear" to their place in the alphabet, or the artist name in the Artist view, or the Album name in the Album view. It explains itself when you do it.

  • by Lexiepex,

    Lexiepex Lexiepex Dec 29, 2012 4:12 AM in response to Lexiepex
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    Dec 29, 2012 4:12 AM in response to Lexiepex

    As an afterthought: if the format of the songs cannot be read in iTunes, iTunes put them in a Folder called "not added" in which there is another folder called by the date that you imported the music: make a copy, then convert the music to mp3 and create a new folder named with the Artist Name, in which you put a subfolder with the Album Name, and put the songs in there. Then you move this Artist folder into a folder called "Automatically Add To iTunes", which is in the "iTunes Music" folder or the "iTunes Music/Music folder".

    You then find them in the iTunes Music Playlist and in iTunes GetInfo you add the necessary Artist and Album names.

  • by glynfromathy,

    glynfromathy glynfromathy Dec 29, 2012 8:59 AM in response to Lexiepex
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    Dec 29, 2012 8:59 AM in response to Lexiepex

    Hi

    listen thanks for your efforts, sadly though I dont appear to be getting anyhwere as yet. I'm struggling finding a folder anywhere called unknown album/artist. I also can't as yet find a folder anywhere called not added. Is this me, or is it really really good at hiding hiding??

     

    G

  • by Steve Taylor1,

    Steve Taylor1 Steve Taylor1 Dec 29, 2012 9:15 AM in response to Lexiepex
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    Dec 29, 2012 9:15 AM in response to Lexiepex

    The path may be yourname/Music/iTunes/iTunes Media/Music  for some reason it is on my machine. I think iTunes changed it to allow for Media storage rather than just Music

  • by theystolemyusernametoo,

    theystolemyusernametoo theystolemyusernametoo Dec 29, 2012 9:21 AM in response to Lexiepex
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    Dec 29, 2012 9:21 AM in response to Lexiepex

    Nope. They're not in there (I looked before I posted here). Also did a Spotlight search of the whole drive, not there either.

     

    While I was searching, just out of curiosity I searched on both "Anais" and "Anaïs" (with and without the umlaut), and Spotlight brought up the album I'd newly re-purchased on BOTH searches.

     

    So, there is something weird about the way MacOS treats (ignores?) diacritical marks ... that may indeed have something to do with this ...

     

    @glynfromathy, any chance that when you ripped the CDs, the artist name went in as Schmölling and not Schmoelling as you spelled it?

  • by theystolemyusernametoo,

    theystolemyusernametoo theystolemyusernametoo Dec 29, 2012 9:30 AM in response to glynfromathy
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    Dec 29, 2012 9:30 AM in response to glynfromathy

    Not that paying twice for the same music is MUCH of a consolation, but it's better than not having the music at all ... have you looked on DA Music or Schmoelling's own website?

     

    http://www.johannesschmoelling.de/ (click "Online Shop" on the left - at a quick glance, appears to offer his entire discography)

    http://www.da-music.de/Schlager/Suchen?modus=qs&inpr=schmoelling

  • by Lexiepex,

    Lexiepex Lexiepex Dec 29, 2012 9:36 AM in response to glynfromathy
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    Dec 29, 2012 9:36 AM in response to glynfromathy

    @ glynfromathy

    @ steve taylor1

    Where the files are is - I think - depending on how many earlier versions of iTunes or OSX you have updated from or upgraded from, when you did not do a clean install.

    Disturbing.


  • by Lexiepex,

    Lexiepex Lexiepex Dec 29, 2012 9:38 AM in response to theystolemyusernametoo
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    Dec 29, 2012 9:38 AM in response to theystolemyusernametoo

    If Spotlight brings them up, they are there. Go to the file in Spotlight and see where they are. Add them to iTunes.

  • by theystolemyusernametoo,

    theystolemyusernametoo theystolemyusernametoo Dec 29, 2012 9:42 AM in response to Lexiepex
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    Dec 29, 2012 9:42 AM in response to Lexiepex

    No, I bought and paid for the album AGAIN.

     

    Spotlight now brings up only the "new" re-purchased album.

     

    Spotlight did NOT bring it up before I re-purchased the album.

     

    That's why I'm keeping my receipts from now on.

  • by Chris CA,

    Chris CA Chris CA Dec 29, 2012 1:05 PM in response to theystolemyusernametoo
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    Dec 29, 2012 1:05 PM in response to theystolemyusernametoo

    theystolemyusernametoo wrote:

     

    No, I bought and paid for the album AGAIN.

    Why didn't you simply log in with the original AppleID and redownload it?

    -> Downloading past purchases from the App Store, iBookstore, and iTunes Store

  • by theystolemyusernametoo,

    theystolemyusernametoo theystolemyusernametoo Dec 29, 2012 1:17 PM in response to Chris CA
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    Dec 29, 2012 1:17 PM in response to Chris CA

    Ugh. Because Apple DELETED it.

     

    I DID log in with the original Apple ID (I only have one, all they made me change was my forum username, NOT my Apple ID).

     

    Even though I'd bought the album from iTunes to begin with, it would not let me download without paying for it AGAIN.

     

    Because it was DELETED, and not by me.

     

     

    It was worth $10 to me to have the album again WITHOUT having to hassle with Apple Support. I can't even seem to get people on this forum to read my posts before they reply ... and since no one posted earlier in the thread that Apple Support allowed them to re-download albums for free when they had deleted all record that the people had ever owned the albums to begin with ...

     

    THAT IS WHY I AM GOING TO KEEP ALL MY RECEIPTS FROM NOW ON.

     

    Sorry for yelling. Going to ignore all further irrelevant posts.

  • by Lexiepex,

    Lexiepex Lexiepex Dec 29, 2012 1:25 PM in response to theystolemyusernametoo
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    Dec 29, 2012 1:25 PM in response to theystolemyusernametoo

    Did you move to another country perhaps? In different countries not all iTunes product catalogs are the same, media-rights and so on.

  • by Petederby,

    Petederby Petederby Jan 1, 2013 10:04 AM in response to J Maxwell
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    Jan 1, 2013 10:04 AM in response to J Maxwell

    Indeed it is.  I was told by the support I paid a chunk of cash for that they hadn't heard of this issue before.  A clear lie exposed by a simple Google search.

     

    My i-pad still has all the 'lost' songs on it and the 'expert' advice I was given was to back this up which would restore the lost songs.  I insisted that the person checked with a supervisor before I did this just in case it just deleted all the songs rather than restore them to i-Tunes.  Thank goodness I did, because he came back and admitted that backing up the i-pad would indeed delete the songs!

     

    This is a major flaw in the I-Tunes platform and I can't believe Apple is getting away with it.  It feels like buying a car with an inherrent fault that locks you out of it and the only solution from the the 'garage' is to buy a new one.

     

    I for one have stopped making i-Tunes purchases and I regret the day I bought into the Apple dream.  OK, my £20-30 a month won't bother them - but if a million others did the same thing then they might just throw a bit of cash at solving this unbelieveably bad flaw.

     

    Sort it out Apple or risk the reputation

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