"Red-eye" removal for dogs

The red-eye removal tool works great in people, but not in dogs or other animals, mostly because their eyes don't reflect red.

What is the best way to do this? Is there another program that will do this automatically?

Posted on Aug 27, 2005 2:52 PM

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Aug 27, 2005 5:46 PM in response to Old Toad

I found these steps ( http://graphicssoft.about.com/cs/photoshopelements/ht/pseredeye.htm ) for photoshop elements but didn't have much luck. I just turned the eye pale grey instead of yellow.

I don't have a lot of practice with colors in photoshop elements, just removing dust and scratches and cloning missing parts for old photos. I have hardly any skill with color pictures at all. I guess I need to get a book and spend some time on this.

Aug 28, 2005 12:57 PM in response to Karen P

Loved seeing this topic. Isn't the internet great! Continual surprises.

I have the same problem. My dog's eyes look aqua. The solution suggested didn't work very well for me, partially because the colored area is huge and there was too little variation. (How do you make the pencil partially transparent in PE?)

What I tried was this.
1. In Photoshop Elements, use the red-eye reduction tool. This seems to blur the area and make it gray.
2. use the magic wand to select the colored (now gray) protion of the eye.
3. Adjust the brightness in the selected area as far down as it will go.
4. touch up, especially borders and bright spots.
5. flatten image.
6. save

One of the problems I have is that I don't exactly know what the dog's eye should look like. I don't think the pupil should end up as dark as a human pupil. When it's black, it looks flat and strange.

The borders of the selected area remain a problem; I'd like to soften the transition. Otherwise, a big improvement, but not a solution.

Aug 28, 2005 1:41 PM in response to John Kubie

John,

To make the pencil partially transparent in Photoshop Elements (I'm using 3.0), select the pencil tool, go to the options bar (the menu bar is across the top, the shortcuts bar is below and then the options bar is below that). You should see Opacity with a percentage near it and an arrow. You can click on the arrow to make a slider appear and use that to adjust opacity. Excuse me if this goes into unnecessary detail; I always seem to lose windows and menus in PE and have to search for them.

As for how the dog's eyes should look; my dogs have a brown iris, a large pupil that is very dark brown, and hardly any white showing. They also have a confused look wondering why I'm staring into their eyes.

Lastly, to soften the transition, after you make the selection, go to the select menu, choose feather and enter the number of pixels. This might not help much if the dog's eye is only a few pixels across.

Aug 28, 2005 8:21 PM in response to Karen P

Thanks, Karen P.

I'm making progress, but it's not yet a simple recipe. My dog is big (150 lbs) and his eyes are big.I use Photoshop Elements 2.0, and the tools are there. Getting the eyes right is tricky.

I'm surprised that Photoshop Elements red-eye tool converts the colored area to gray. I guess that is one of it's tricks. But it doesn't seem to change brightness. It also seems to do some local averaging.

John

Aug 28, 2005 9:53 PM in response to John Kubie

The Red Eye tool in PE 2 merely changes the hue to that of the chosen replacement color. It doesn't change the saturation or intensity of the original color, which is why it usually just turns red eye from vampire red to werewolf grey. The PE 3 red eye tool is better, but Adobe's tool is not designed for animal green eye, and it never works with blown-out white eyes.

Aug 30, 2005 1:29 PM in response to Barbara Brundage

Basically humans have one reflective layer and animals have two. Here is an explanation I found with a Google search:

"The consistently red color of the human reflex derives from the red blood pigment hemoglobin. Light from the flash picks up the red from blood vessels encountered during its bounce off the retina, just as reflected sunlight picks up the color of a red sweater.

Why, then, do animal reflexes come in so many other colors and seldom in red? The answer lies in the tapetum lucidum, a highly reflective, variably pigmented membrane backing the retina in animals with good night vision (including dogs, cats and most domestic animals) but entirely absent in humans. The tapetum lies directly behind the retinal photoreceptors. (Nova's The Nocturnal Eye nicely illustrates the anatomy).

The tapetum enhances low-light vision by giving retinal photoreceptors a 2nd crack at any incoming light that manages to escape absorption (detection) on the first pass. In dogs, at least, an additional boost may come from tapetal fluorescence, which shifts incoming wavelengths into better alignment with the peak spectral sensitivities of the photoreceptors. Tapetal pigments surely come into play here.

When tapetal pigment is present, its color dominates the color of a given animal's reflex. Tapetal color loosely follows coat color. For example, black coats and green reflexes tend to go together. Most dogs and cats show a blue reflex as their eyes mature in the first 6-8 months of life. Pigment-poor animals like blue point Siamese cats with no tapetal pigmentation show a red reflex for the same reason humans do."

Hope this is useful/helpful/just interesting!

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