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Change the master tempo WITHOUT changing my audio!

Hope this isn't a totally dumb question. It seems simple, deceptively so.

I recorded a track with a non-midi drum machine. Audio in. I layered things on top of the song. It is sounding good.

I realized long after the fact that I forgot that I had changed the tempo of the drum machine to 120bpm. The song itself thinks it is at 115bpm.

When I have the two at the same tempo, what it means for me is that I can loop things much more easily, mark things, on and on. Also, I can drag digi-beats on top of what i've done and have it all line up just so.

Problem is that when I attempt to adjust the "master tempo" it does an annoying evaluation of the tracks and adjusts them.

I don't want it to do anything to my audio files. I just want the bar lines to change essentially.

Any help, (sorry if this is really easy, I have searched I swear! It's not as straightforward to me as it seems!) is greatly appreciated.

Take Care,

Luke

MacBook, Mac OS X (10.5.6)

Posted on Mar 9, 2009 1:04 PM

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Mar 9, 2009 1:19 PM in response to Catnip Toy

_Adjusting the Tempo to Fit Regions_

The +Options > Tempo Adjust Tempo using Region Length and Locators+ command adjusts the MIDI tempo, making the length of the selected Audio Region exactly match the distance between the locators (Cycle area). If you want to use this function to adapt the MIDI tempo to match the tempo of a drum loop, make sure that the drum loop is cycling smoothly (use the Sample Editor for this), and that the length of the Region corresponds exactly to a specific musical length of the audio material. As an example, to ensure that the Region measures exactly two bars when played back, set a Cycle to match the musical length of the Region (two bars, in this case), and select +Options > Tempo > Adjust Tempo using Region Length and Locators.+

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If this isn't what you had in mind, you need to perform Beat Mapping.

The Beat Mapping track helps by defining the bar positions of existing musical events (e.g. accents in Audio Regions) without changing their absolute time position, thereby preserving the audible result with its original timing.

This is achieved in two steps: First, you graphically connect musical events (Transients in Audio Regions, which correspond to the beginning of strongly accented notes) to the desired bar positions in the Beat Mapping track, by drawing lines between them with the mouse. Logic will automatically insert a tempo change event for each of these bar position locations, causing the note to be played at its previous absolute time position, despite its altered bar position.

Logic must first analyze Audio Regions in order to find rhythmically prominent spots, which can subsequently be linked to a bar position. During this analysis, Logic searches for transients: Positions where the audio recording becomes a lot louder—over a very short time span (a signal “spike”, in other words). This is typical of drum recordings, but the analysis of other instruments or complete mixes (depending on the musical context) can also produce usable results.

To detect transients, select the Audio Region and click the Analyze button in the Track List of the Beat Mapping track. Following analysis, the transients are displayed as small vertical lines at the bottom of the Beat Mapping track, just like the notes in MIDI Regions.

Mar 10, 2009 12:50 PM in response to Catnip Toy

Does anyone hear me on how stupid this is? I mean, this is kind of Microsoft-esque... you have so many "fancy options" that you are not allowed to do the most basic controls. I resent that my audio files are writ with tempo in them!

Thanks for your feedback though. I may or may not try these solutions. Right now I'm fuming that it is so hard to do something so simple 🙂

Mar 10, 2009 4:59 PM in response to Catnip Toy

What should happen to audio when you change the tempo is that the actual files should play back at the same speed (& pitch), but that the Regions that make up the Track will change their relative positions — IOW, they will get closer together or further apart.

This will, of course, cause syncing problems (e.g. Regions cutting in before the previous Region has finished, or unexpected gaps).

So possibly this is what you have been noticing.

The solution is to reposition the Regions or to create new ones using the files in your Audio Library Window. Once you're sure the Tempo is correct, that shouldn't be too difficult.

Mar 10, 2009 8:03 PM in response to Caramby

No no apple loops. Unless importing songs from garageband converts them thus, but I don't think it does that.

The deal is that, if I simply adjust the tempo in my transport bar, pretty much my beats are find, but it STRETCHHHHES my vocals this way and that. And other tracks. It would be faster to re-record (which I really don't want to do) than to reposition everything just so.

I mean, I seriously can't believe this! Why why why automatically do the most intense process and not give me the option to do the most simple process?

Mar 10, 2009 9:35 PM in response to Catnip Toy

Catnip Toy wrote:
The deal is that, if I simply adjust the tempo in my transport bar, pretty much my beats are find, but it STRETCHHHHES my vocals this way and that. And other tracks. It would be faster to re-record (which I really don't want to do) than to reposition everything just so.



Sorry, just to clarify, do you mean the audio itself has been changed, or just the region length/position? If the audio itself has been stretched, then what you are experiencing is not normal Logic behavior.

I tried to recreate what you're doing, and it looks to me like the regions themselves are stretching visually, so that the beginning of one overlaps the beginning of the next. Is that what you're seeing?

Mar 11, 2009 4:43 AM in response to Catnip Toy

+"No no apple loops. Unless importing songs from garageband converts them thus, but I don't think it does that."+

Yes — it certainly can do. I'm afraid you need to make sure that if you are exporting from Garage Band you are choosing a normal audio file format such as AIFF. It sounds exactly as if you are exporting Apple Loops, which will always try to fit themselves to the tempo if it is changed.

Normal audio files don't do that.

Anyway — if it isn't Apple Loops, it's Regions out of sync (as discussed above), so one way or another you've found your problem, & while the solution is unpleasant at least you know what it is!

But my money is on Apple Loops. +Don't export from Garage Band as Apple Loops!+

Mar 11, 2009 2:38 PM in response to Caramby

Rad... I think you might be right. I am bummed though with all the work I'll be doing to correct my dumb mistake.

I will eagerly check this out when I am home from work. I bet you're right too!

Thanks so much!!! I'll keep all y'all posted... I'm sure there are a few people like me who prefer (due to habit or visual simplicity) to record in Garageband and them move it over to Logic...

Mar 11, 2009 2:40 PM in response to jdredge

The audio indeed will stretch (see the import from garageband critical point)... making my vocals sound like wrrroooorrrroaaaarrrooooo instead of whoa! haha. You get the point.

I'm thinking, as has been posted recently, that this is an apple loops/import from garageband issue.

btw: my method of importing is to simply drag the garageband file over my logic dock icon...

Apr 25, 2009 8:57 PM in response to Catnip Toy

Does this help? I found this in the manual just before finding your topic.

(p.526)

Audio files recorded in Logic Pro can follow the project tempo—inclusive of tempo
changes—set in the global tracks.

As an example: If you record a bass solo at 100 bpm, you can change the project
tempo to 120 bpm and the bass solo will automatically be played back at the new
tempo.
The function works with all audio files that were recorded in, or bounced/exported
from, Logic Pro.

To make recorded audio files follow the project tempo (and first key signature):
- Select the audio region in the Arrange area, and turn on the Follow Tempo option in
the Region Parameter box in the Inspector.
The Follow Tempo option is synchronized for all regions that make use of the same
audio file.

All audio files that follow the project tempo (and first key signature) are indicated by
the following symbols in Logic Pro: <=>

(that symbol should appear in the audio region)

Change the master tempo WITHOUT changing my audio!

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