10 Replies Latest reply: Mar 27, 2009 10:18 AM by afishface101
pitchfork Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
I am finally setting up my Logic 8 to use with Ableton Live rewired and have re-set up my mixer channels for my audio instruments that i use and also included auxes for incoming Ableton Live rewired into Logic 8

Aux 1 - Ableton Left
Aux 2 - Ableton Right

Aux 3 - Ableton bus 3/4 (stereo)
Aux 4 - Ableton bus 5/6 (stereo)
etc
etc

So i think I now have my mixer set up to accept incoming ableton audio and can use Logic Plugs etc on Ableton audio..

I want to do sidechaining as a dance effect but cant seem to work this out?

Can I do this from Ableton live and do the sidechaining in Logic mixer?

I get a simple kick running in Live, then bus it from live to logic so its in the logic mixer.. i then read that you set the kick channel to NO OUTPUT in logic and open up the pad sound that you want pumping..add a compressor here and select sidechain and choose the channel?

I cant seem to find the channel that my kick is on??

I have tried the buss option and sent the kick to the buss but it doubles in loudness??

What am i doing wrong?! bit mixed up here!

I take it you need to send the kick to a buss to say, sidechain most elements of a mix, pads, bass etc but it pushes my master way into the red?

looking for the daft punk / benny benassi style where most elements are sidechained apart from the drums...


PS : Can Logic accept ableton/rewire directly on audio tracks in the arrange window and maybe record directly ableton loops into logic timeline as in the first photo here http://www.ableton.com/pages/rewire/logic_pro

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  • afishface101 Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)
    Hi Pitchfork

    Easiest way of doing the ducking effect is to create a software instrument in Logic & side chain it to a compressor that way

    I use Ableton rewired into Logic a lot

    Never tried the ducking using a feed from Ableton though

    I do it this way all in Logic

    1 Create a software instrument & put say Ultrabeat onto it
    2 Create a 1 bar region on the software instrument & create a 4 beat straight drum loop
    2 Place a compressor onto the Ableton channel you want to use the ducking effect on
    3 On the software instrument track in the inspector use a send say bus 1 select that i always then click on it again & make it a pre fader send as i dont want to hear the kick drum i use for the ducking so i dont turn up the track volume but make sure to turn up the volume to the send
    4 In the compressor select side chain input bus 1

    You can play around with the settings to get the level of ducking you want but bring up the ratio & the attack should be as fast as you can, bring down the compressor threshold, i always check the peak box where it says peak/rms

    Make sure you dont have auto gain checked next to the release knob or it wont work at all

    Hope this is easier for you

    Luck
  • pitchfork Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    Thanks for this...

    On the

    "On the software instrument track in the inspector "

    Do you mean the kick instrument track or the ableton instrument track (in logic)?

    I am putting the bus1 on the kick channel and pre fader, and turning up the bus1, and the channel to 0 but i still hear the kick?
  • afishface101 Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)
    Hi

    You Are using Logic Pro 8 not 7 yes?

    The link you left was how to setup Logic 7

    Do you mean the kick instrument track or the ableton instrument track (in logic)?

    Its all done in Logic

    The Inspector in Logic is the area to the left of the Arrangement & the sends are just above where you select which instrument you want on the track

    Heres a link to a Logic File where i have the Ducking Effect set up

    http://www.sendspace.com/file/kglq2i

    Let me know when you have downloaded it please

    The answer to your PS

    PS : Can Logic accept ableton/rewire directly on audio tracks in the arrange window and maybe record directly ableton loops into logic timeline as in the first photo here

    Yes you can you need to set up an aux channel for every channel you want to bring from Ableton into Logic

    In Ableton on the session page make sure you can see the I/O you will see "audio to" which will be set to master set this to rewire out & select which you want from Mix Out L/R (basically bus 1/2) up to bus 63/64

    Back in Logic you need to go into the environment using CMD (or the apple key) + 8 or by the window tab on the menu bar at the top of logic & clicking on environment there

    when you open the environment you should be on the mixer TAB if not use the drop down bar at the top left of the screen

    Here create a new Aux Track or as many Aux Tracks you require when you click on the Input selection for the aux channel you will see Ableton Live under this you will see all the RW bus from ableton you can select either mono or stereo

    you do this by click on the new drop down menu go right down to the bottom under channel strip you will see a few options select auxiliary & you will get a new aux in the environment

    To see these auxes on the arrange page create a new Audio Track now ctrl click on the track header under the global tracks header you should get 2 selections

    re assign track header
    configure track header

    you need re Assign track header here by going to mixer then auxes & select which aux you want

    you should now see the aux Track on the arrange page

    to record into Logic you need to route the audio out of the aux to the input of an audio track press record & it should record in

    I hope this essay helps
    Luck
  • pitchfork Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    Thanks for the great reply afishface101!!

    I will try out the zip file you have provided and get back to you..

    Yes Im on Logic 8.02, and also have worked out the aux in the arrange also... just need to nail the sidechain thing...

    Thanks!
  • pitchfork Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    Right have copied your logic zip file... but I still only get pumping when i can "hear' the kick??

    I have a 909 kick on a channel, send it to bus1 (turned all way up) and turn the channel volume down...

    Then I play a pad on another channel and add a compressor, make all the right settings for a "pump" and sidechain = bus1

    Now i can only hear the audible pumping effect, when my sidechain kick channel is up?? I lower it as in your logic file and the pad is continuous, raise it up and it does "pump" but I hear the kick also?

    I have tried setting the sidechain kick channel to "no output" but I still hear it??

    What simple and stupid thing am i doing wrong?
  • afishface101 Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)
    Hi

    Have you made the Send pre fader if its post you will still hear the kick

    To make it Pre

    Where you put the send on the channel track if you click & hold you should get a drop down menu were you can select pre

    you will be able to tell if the send is pre or post the send when you select it on the channel strip if its post fader it will be blue & green if its pre fader
  • pitchfork Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    Hi

    Yes im sure i selected pre fader as it was green... as that was a thought i had myself...

    So can still hear the kick???
  • afishface101 Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)
    Hi

    In the environment have you created a bus channel if you have is the output of the bus channel set to any thing at all this should be left empty go into the environment & check this

    with the Logic file i sent you can you hear the kick when you play that one back ?

    if your hearing the kick you are sending it to the main output somewhere
  • pitchfork Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    Thank you for this...

    I checked the Enviroment mixer, and had the bus going to nothing, then saw that I had some Audio tracks (which were hidden in my mixer/arrange view) that had the orange "I" input light selected, once i de-selected all of these it seemed to work...

    As a user of Ableton rewired into logic, how do you control your levels??

    I am running a kick and loop from ableton into Logic..

    On Ableton the master output is way into the red, although it sounds fine, and on the Logic mixer(where the different ableton channels are coming through) they are relatively low although with just two tracks going into the "sidechain" buss, it clips and overloads..(in Logic)

    How do people get all their levels correct and peaking nicely (three quarters of the way on the channel) AND manage to send most of the mix to a Buss for sidechaining without clipping in Ableton OR Logic??
  • afishface101 Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)
    Hi Pitchfork

    Glad you sorted the ducking effect

    I usually just leave the levels at 0db & as i setup Logic tracks for every Ableton track it doesnt go through the Ableton Master mixer but instead it routes through each individual channel

    You could even turn down the Ableton master output & it shouldn't alter whats is going through Logic

    How do people get all their levels correct and peaking nicely (three quarters of the way on the channel) AND manage to send most of the mix to a Buss for sidechaining without clipping in Ableton OR Logic??

    What exactly are you sending to a sidechain & also the to the sidechain of what what effect are you trying to achieve ??

    Luck