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Ableton Rewire into Logic mixer?

I am finally setting up my Logic 8 to use with Ableton Live rewired and have re-set up my mixer channels for my audio instruments that i use and also included auxes for incoming Ableton Live rewired into Logic 8

Aux 1 - Ableton Left
Aux 2 - Ableton Right

Aux 3 - Ableton bus 3/4 (stereo)
Aux 4 - Ableton bus 5/6 (stereo)
etc
etc

So i think I now have my mixer set up to accept incoming ableton audio and can use Logic Plugs etc on Ableton audio..

I want to do sidechaining as a dance effect but cant seem to work this out?

Can I do this from Ableton live and do the sidechaining in Logic mixer?

I get a simple kick running in Live, then bus it from live to logic so its in the logic mixer.. i then read that you set the kick channel to NO OUTPUT in logic and open up the pad sound that you want pumping..add a compressor here and select sidechain and choose the channel?

I cant seem to find the channel that my kick is on??

I have tried the buss option and sent the kick to the buss but it doubles in loudness??

What am i doing wrong?! bit mixed up here!

I take it you need to send the kick to a buss to say, sidechain most elements of a mix, pads, bass etc but it pushes my master way into the red?

looking for the daft punk / benny benassi style where most elements are sidechained apart from the drums...


PS : Can Logic accept ableton/rewire directly on audio tracks in the arrange window and maybe record directly ableton loops into logic timeline as in the first photo here http://www.ableton.com/pages/rewire/logic_pro

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Posted on Mar 24, 2009 9:56 AM

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Mar 24, 2009 2:52 PM in response to pitchfork

Hi Pitchfork

Easiest way of doing the ducking effect is to create a software instrument in Logic & side chain it to a compressor that way

I use Ableton rewired into Logic a lot

Never tried the ducking using a feed from Ableton though

I do it this way all in Logic

1 Create a software instrument & put say Ultrabeat onto it
2 Create a 1 bar region on the software instrument & create a 4 beat straight drum loop
2 Place a compressor onto the Ableton channel you want to use the ducking effect on
3 On the software instrument track in the inspector use a send say bus 1 select that i always then click on it again & make it a pre fader send as i dont want to hear the kick drum i use for the ducking so i dont turn up the track volume but make sure to turn up the volume to the send
4 In the compressor select side chain input bus 1

You can play around with the settings to get the level of ducking you want but bring up the ratio & the attack should be as fast as you can, bring down the compressor threshold, i always check the peak box where it says peak/rms

Make sure you dont have auto gain checked next to the release knob or it wont work at all

Hope this is easier for you

Luck

Mar 25, 2009 9:49 AM in response to pitchfork

Hi

You Are using Logic Pro 8 not 7 yes?

The link you left was how to setup Logic 7

Do you mean the kick instrument track or the ableton instrument track (in logic)?

Its all done in Logic

The Inspector in Logic is the area to the left of the Arrangement & the sends are just above where you select which instrument you want on the track

Heres a link to a Logic File where i have the Ducking Effect set up

http://www.sendspace.com/file/kglq2i

Let me know when you have downloaded it please

The answer to your PS

PS : Can Logic accept ableton/rewire directly on audio tracks in the arrange window and maybe record directly ableton loops into logic timeline as in the first photo here

Yes you can you need to set up an aux channel for every channel you want to bring from Ableton into Logic

In Ableton on the session page make sure you can see the I/O you will see "audio to" which will be set to master set this to rewire out & select which you want from Mix Out L/R (basically bus 1/2) up to bus 63/64

Back in Logic you need to go into the environment using CMD (or the apple key) + 8 or by the window tab on the menu bar at the top of logic & clicking on environment there

when you open the environment you should be on the mixer TAB if not use the drop down bar at the top left of the screen

Here create a new Aux Track or as many Aux Tracks you require when you click on the Input selection for the aux channel you will see Ableton Live under this you will see all the RW bus from ableton you can select either mono or stereo

you do this by click on the new drop down menu go right down to the bottom under channel strip you will see a few options select auxiliary & you will get a new aux in the environment

To see these auxes on the arrange page create a new Audio Track now ctrl click on the track header under the global tracks header you should get 2 selections

re assign track header
configure track header

you need re Assign track header here by going to mixer then auxes & select which aux you want

you should now see the aux Track on the arrange page

to record into Logic you need to route the audio out of the aux to the input of an audio track press record & it should record in

I hope this essay helps
Luck

Mar 25, 2009 10:51 AM in response to pitchfork

Right have copied your logic zip file... but I still only get pumping when i can "hear' the kick??

I have a 909 kick on a channel, send it to bus1 (turned all way up) and turn the channel volume down...

Then I play a pad on another channel and add a compressor, make all the right settings for a "pump" and sidechain = bus1

Now i can only hear the audible pumping effect, when my sidechain kick channel is up?? I lower it as in your logic file and the pad is continuous, raise it up and it does "pump" but I hear the kick also?

I have tried setting the sidechain kick channel to "no output" but I still hear it??

What simple and stupid thing am i doing wrong?

Mar 25, 2009 11:49 AM in response to pitchfork

Hi

Have you made the Send pre fader if its post you will still hear the kick

To make it Pre

Where you put the send on the channel track if you click & hold you should get a drop down menu were you can select pre

you will be able to tell if the send is pre or post the send when you select it on the channel strip if its post fader it will be blue & green if its pre fader

Mar 26, 2009 4:36 AM in response to afishface101

Thank you for this...

I checked the Enviroment mixer, and had the bus going to nothing, then saw that I had some Audio tracks (which were hidden in my mixer/arrange view) that had the orange "I" input light selected, once i de-selected all of these it seemed to work...

As a user of Ableton rewired into logic, how do you control your levels??

I am running a kick and loop from ableton into Logic..

On Ableton the master output is way into the red, although it sounds fine, and on the Logic mixer(where the different ableton channels are coming through) they are relatively low although with just two tracks going into the "sidechain" buss, it clips and overloads..(in Logic)

How do people get all their levels correct and peaking nicely (three quarters of the way on the channel) AND manage to send most of the mix to a Buss for sidechaining without clipping in Ableton OR Logic??

Mar 27, 2009 10:18 AM in response to pitchfork

Hi Pitchfork

Glad you sorted the ducking effect

I usually just leave the levels at 0db & as i setup Logic tracks for every Ableton track it doesnt go through the Ableton Master mixer but instead it routes through each individual channel

You could even turn down the Ableton master output & it shouldn't alter whats is going through Logic

How do people get all their levels correct and peaking nicely (three quarters of the way on the channel) AND manage to send most of the mix to a Buss for sidechaining without clipping in Ableton OR Logic??

What exactly are you sending to a sidechain & also the to the sidechain of what what effect are you trying to achieve ??

Luck

Ableton Rewire into Logic mixer?

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