am I dumb? I can't split a region right on the beat!

I'm new to Logic but not new to DAWs.

all I want to do is take a 4 bar section of a region and loop it. So I've tried every way I can think of to split the region. Placing the playhead where I want it and clicking "split at playhead", using the scissors tool and dragging the beginning and end or the region but I can't for the life of me get it to cut right on the beat! It split's a hair short or a hair long so that when I loop it eventually it drifts out of time. I've tried all the different snap settings. I've tried to find something in the manual about it but can't find anything that helps. I can't believe I can't do this incredible simple function...it's driving me CRAzy!!! please help

macbook 2.16 GHz, Mac OS X (10.4.11)

Posted on Mar 25, 2009 6:38 PM

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Mar 25, 2009 8:16 PM in response to Jebus0000

If I understand you correctly your trying to cut a four bar loop out of a region to loop it, so, What I usually do is open the region in Sample Editor or zoom the track in a get a precise view of the wave file then cut it...If you open it wide enough it will cut anywhere, if its not open enough it will snap cut to what you have it set at. Hope this helps...or someone else will come along and help, because 13 views so far and no responses.

Mike

Mar 26, 2009 1:45 AM in response to Jus' Mic

that's the thing... it should be easy. It should just automatically cut right on the beat but it doesn't... in fact it's impossible to split right on any quantization point. I cannot get an even split. It's one of the most basic functions of any DAW and I can't do it. I've read the manual and it really is just not doing what it's suppose to. arg!

Mar 26, 2009 4:54 AM in response to Jebus0000

Hi Jebus, it sounds like you are trying to split this part of audio up in a project that doesn't match the exact tempo of the audio file.

Like mentioned previously, it's best to do this in the sample editor.

Once the sample editor is open, select the region you want to use as a loop and play it back with loop mode enabled and adjust the L & R markers till you are happy with the results.

Next export this selection as a new audio file and import this into a new track in your project, starting at bar 1. You will now have to slightly stretch or compress the region to fit into your project tempo. This can be done by Time & Pitch Machine in the sample editor or by simply 'option' clicking the bottom right of the region and dragging it to fit. You may need to alter the alogorhythm to suite the audio for this to sound good but if your not altering it by much it should be fine. Alternatively, do this in Ableton Live as it produces much better results.

hope this helps 😉

Mar 26, 2009 11:30 AM in response to tobacco_slammers

thanks for the help but I think that sounds like a complicated work around. Reading the manual and looking at the different snap options, what I want to do should be very easy to do. Put the snap to beat and slice on the grid. Make a cut at beat 1 of bar 1 and beat 1 of bar 5 making a 4 bar loop. Then use the loop drag function that's there specifically to make looping easy. It's all right there. It shouldn't matter what the audio in the region is... if I want to make an exact 4 bar loop of a 1k tone to any tempo I should be able to. but no matter how I try I cannot get it to slice exactly on the beat...even zooming in all the way. something is wrong.

Mar 26, 2009 11:36 AM in response to Jebus0000

ok update.

I started a new project and imported an audio file. I sliced on the grid..bar 5 and bar 6 and it sliced right on the beat just like it should. The audio file was not the same tempo as the metronome was set at but I was still able to slice a 1 bar loop relative to the project tempo.

so this means it's only the project I'm working on. what in the world would cause that?

Mar 26, 2009 1:21 PM in response to Jebus0000

Jeb,

You're not dumb.
After 12 years of Buying Logic and encountering
exactly these types of time wasters,
AND writing to this company EVERY year
for years... You just have to get used to it.
They will not change anything.

There are even interviews of artists in magazines
where they say: ""I wish they did THIS so it made sense"".

But just as long as people are buying the software,
they don't have to listen to any user suggestions.

Try drawing a series of velocities in the piano roll.
Or time stretching some audio.

You're bound to get responses telling you: "That's impossible"
It would be funny if it didn't cost money.

Mar 26, 2009 4:14 PM in response to Jebus0000

Yes, it should work as expected when you cut with the scissors and have the correct grid setting. And it usually does! Maybe your project file is corrupt?!
Try starting from scratch and drag all regions into a new project.

You're not dumb. After 12 years of Buying Logic and encountering exactly these types of time wasters, AND writing to this company EVERY year for years... You just have to get used to it. They will not change anything. There are even interviews of artists in magazines where they say: ""I wish they did THIS so it made sense"". But just as long as people are buying the software, they don't have to listen to any user suggestions.


Stop ranting please, this is not a missing feature.

Eddie

Mar 26, 2009 6:50 PM in response to Jebus0000

Can you not just select the region in question, place the playhead where you desire and hit command + T (to split) and then copy/paste/loop the section as needed? You may need to ensure that "snap to beat" (or whatever it's called) is enabled to get EXACTLY on the beat, but this is incredibly simple task unless I have misunderstood the question.

Not that it really matters, but are we dealing with audio or MIDI... I couldn't tell from your post?

Mar 27, 2009 10:56 AM in response to Eddie Eagle

I won't be able to start from scratch... because of the type of music it is recreating the project by manually place regions would be time consuming. I have a work around... cutting the region just a hair short and the copy and pasting the region every 4 bars. They'll be a tiny gap at the end of each region but I'll just have to make a quick fade at the end of each one.

and I'll just hope this doesn't happen again.

Mar 27, 2009 12:08 PM in response to Jebus0000

No you are not dumb ... looping audio is not a problem in any DAW if you once you get used to hearing exactly where the loop starts and stops.

It sounds to me that you need practise in feeling pulse and relying on your ears where to stop and start the playhead for your in and out points.

Here's a suggestion:

1 - Zoom the audio out in the Arrange window so the section you want to loop is a reasonable size but all in one window

2 - Press Play from a good way in front of your loop and listen for the EXACT downbeat

3- Stop the Logic Sequence as close to the point as you can where the down beat of bar 1 of your loop begins.

4- Use the Key Command "Set Left Locator" to mark that point ( you could also set a Marker there)

5 - Play the sequence again and again from Left Locator until you feel certain that is the beginning of the loop.

6 - Set the Right Locator well past Bar 4 of your proposed loop.. say somewhere in bar 5 and press Cycle

7 - Now your loop will be cycling from the correct start point but it will still be playing too long.


8 - With the mouse grab the number of the Right Locator in the Transport Bar and gradually reduce the position of the RIGHT locator with the music looping all the time until you have the perfect loop.

+( Just to add here that it is easy to see this because the GREEN colouring indicating the Cycle section will gradually reduce as you move this number .. you will see it contract on the screen. Make sure you change the position by very small increments using using the fractions of the bar not beats at a time)+

9 - Finally when you are happy and you can hear it is looping perfectly, select the region and use the Key Command <Snip: Cut Section Between Locators> or just snip at each end of the Left and Right Locator

10 - Turn this into a fresh piece of individual audio file and you are done 🙂


PS This may sound long and involved but once you have got it down you will be able to loop anything in seconds... all according your ears

Hope that helps

m s

Message was edited by: musicspirit

Mar 28, 2009 1:51 PM in response to musicspirit

musicspirit.. thanks for writing all that but did you even read the thread? The audio I want to loop was recorded to the click in logic along with all the other audio. If I select a loop that is even slightly longer or shorter than an exact 4 bar length *relative to the grid * then when I loop that region the audio will eventually drift out of time with the metronome AND the other audio.

I'm not asking how to loop...I've done it a billion times in many different programs. I'm asking why logic isn't working the way it's suppose to. As mentioned above, it's only in this one project. When I start a new project it works fine. The only thing I need to know is why it refuses to snap to the grid.

Mar 29, 2009 6:29 AM in response to Jebus0000

Hi Jebus, are you still trying to solve this?

It definately sounds like you are trying to loop a part that doesn't loop properly. I know you said that it was recorded to the click in logic but the timing may be off slightly so I would say that you will need to edit this in the sample editor as I mentioned previously.

Have you given this a try yet? What results did you get?

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