4 Replies Latest reply: Mar 28, 2009 1:48 PM by siderealxxx
siderealxxx Level 2 Level 2 (270 points)
I've recorded a solo violin which is being mixed in with nothing but solo piano so I need to achieve a really good sound. The violin was recorded in a very dry room with a 414 about 18 inches away so I have a very raw sound.

So far my channel strip is (in this order):

Channel EQ - Lo Cut at 150hz
Compressor - 4:1 w/threshold @ -12db fast attack, slow release
Space Designer - 100% dry with -12db's of a very short reverb just to add colour
Match EQ - with a setting I pulled from some solo violin recordings I liked
Bus 1 - Out to my main reverb

I don't feel it's sounding as good as some recordings I'm hearing. I don't know why that is... maybe the room/recording, maybe the channel strip. The overall sound is very shrill which is partly bow noise but also seems to be the sound of the violin. There's no 'warmth'... when I try more drastic EQ it can starts to sound muffled and lacking in definition.

Any tips/tricks? Obviously it's a classical recording so nothing too extreme/noticeable...


G5 Dual 2Ghz 3gig RAM and MacBook Dualcore 2Ghz 1Gig RAM, Mac OS X (10.4.11), Logic 8.02
  • Jorge Costa Level 4 Level 4 (1,485 points)
    Hi S,

    as we talking about classic,
    I would play a little with the reverb, give it more room,
    as you almost close micked the Violin.
    Send the violin Reverb to a bus (2) (Remember to turn off the dry slider of SD on both busses to avoid phase problems). There's loads of reverb spaces for you to play with, I'm positive that you'll find one that works for you, don't be afraid to try real rooms, halls etc.
    Also, don't forget that the close mike, can be an advantage, as you can choose more freely the space.


  • siderealxxx Level 2 Level 2 (270 points)
    Thanks for the input but I'm more concerned about the EQ than the reverb. I have a pretty nice reverb setting that I'm happy with and it's sitting in 'space' fairly well. I suppose I'm looking more for EQ/channel/compression advice as the raw signal is to harsh. Sidx
  • Sampleconstruct Level 5 Level 5 (5,870 points)
    I usually find the "warmth" of a violin at +/- 250-300 Hz - maybe +3-4 dB with a pretty wide Q factor and a rather steep Low cut (36 dB at 70-100 Hz), but it really depends on the Eqs you're using. Logic's Eqs work quite well with electronic sounds but I find them a bit thin and coloured for string instruments and vocals. Since I switched to the Sonnox Eqs I'm amazed what a great Eq can do to your material.
    Anyway after warming it up, get rid of some of the harsh string scraping sound by first enhancing the disturbing noises (around 1500-3000 Hz) and then getting rid of them. Some brilliance at 4500-10000 Hz might freshen up the violin, it really depends on the Mic you used as well.
    Use a slower Attack (6ms upwards) and medium release on your Compressor, you want to keep the natural Attack phase, rather than shaping it with a fast attack. Don't use the Platinum mode if your using Logic's Comp but try the analog emulations instead.
    The "warmth" button in the Sonnox dynamic Plug can do wonders, so can the exciter in Ozone 3/4 if applied to lower frequency ranges to add warmth and depth to "thin" sounding instruments.

    Message was edited by: Sampleconstruct
  • siderealxxx Level 2 Level 2 (270 points)
    Thanks for the advice! Some interesting/detailed points there - I'll have a look tomorrow. I am using Logics plugs for pretty much everything but I'm downloading the Ozone demo now so I'll give that a try. Cheers