What is Error -50 and how do I fix it?

This morning Entourage quit on me, giving an error messag: "The Daemon was unable to something the database: Error -50"

I repaired permissions (it showed some ownership discrepancies re the DVD drive which I just installed, and it seems unable to repair them).

When I hit restart, Palm Desktop also showed Error -50 (with no text).

Entourage worked after Restart, but when I went to launch Safari the Finder said "Operation could not be completed: Error -50"

And then Entourage quit again, with the same message as before. Can anyone tell me what Error -50 is? I assume it's coming from Finder, since it's showing up in three different areas.

Thanks for any help you can give,

Giles

PowerBook G4 Pismo 550 Mhz, 100 GB HDD/7200, 1 GB RAM, OS 10.4.11, Mac OS X (10.4.11), PowerBook G4 12" Superdrive w OS 10.4.10

Posted on Mar 30, 2009 10:25 AM

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Mar 30, 2009 10:36 PM in response to gblunt99

Well can't tell you what error (-50) is, but can tell you about when I got it the other day. My system was real slow and I decided to replace it with a backup. During the restore I got the error (-50) and figured it was a corrupt file, and the restore was continuing, so figured small problem.

The restore was very slow, coming from firewire drive, and so I was not around when it ended. A normal end will show a log file, but I didn't see that, the restore application had ended. The files seem to all be there, so I just rebooted the system. On reboot, got message that the HD smart code was bad, and that the drive was about to fail.

So to make a long story short, I replaced the HD and then ran the same restore application to restore the same backup to the new drive. Never got any error, plus it was speedy. So I figure the error was bogus, due to the bad HD.

Sorry not much help for your problem, but I have seen the (-50) error before, and that time it was a corrupt file, which I deleted.

Mar 30, 2009 10:48 AM in response to gblunt99

Well, for what it's worth [http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1618] says: "-50, paramErr, Error in user parameter list"

Possibly a permissions problem, as suggested by your repairs problem and [Mac OS X: Can't connect to iDisk, get "Error Code -50"|http://support.apple.com/kb/TS1429?viewlocale=en_US]. Have you tried repairing permissions while booted to Safe Mode?

[Mac OS X: Starting up in Safe Mode|http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=107393]

[What is Safe Boot, Safe Mode? (Mac OS X)|http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=107392]

[Safe Boot takes longer than normal startup|http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=107394]

Safe boot mode runs a directory check command similar to that used by Disk Utility's repair. In Tiger it ignores some stored information (cache) that is normally read that speeds up the boot process, and it moves some other caches to the trash. It also uses only System fonts and disables all Startup Items, third party items, and any Login Items.

Mar 30, 2009 10:54 AM in response to gblunt99

Hi Giles,

-50 paramErr Error in user parameter list

You've got corruption somewhere, what failed to Repair?

Could be many things, we should start with this...

"Try Disk Utility

1. Insert the Mac OS X Tiger Install disc that came with your computer, then restart the computer while holding the C key.
2. When your computer finishes starting up from the disc, choose Disk Utility from the Installer menu. (In Mac OS X 10.4 or later, you must select your language first.)
*Important: Do not click Continue in the first screen of the Installer. If you do, you must restart from the disc again to access Disk Utility.*
3. Click the First Aid tab.
4. Click the disclosure triangle to the left of the hard drive icon to display the names of your hard disk volumes and partitions.
5. Select your Mac OS X volume.
6. Click Repair. Disk Utility checks and repairs the disk."

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106214

Then try a Safe Boot, (holding Shift key down at bootup), run Disk Utility in Applications>Utilities, then highlight your drive, click on Repair Permissions, reboot when it completes.

(Safe boot may stay on the gray radian for a long time, let it go, it's trying to repair the Hard Drive.)

The usual reason why updates fail or mess things up, is if Permissions are not fixed before & after every update, with a reboot... you may get a partial update when the installer finds it doesn't have Permissions to change one obscure little part of the OS, leaving you with a mix of OS versions.

Some people get away without Repairing Permissions for years, some for only days.

If Permissions are wrong before applying an update, you could get mixed OS versions, if Directory is the slightest messed up, who knows!

If many Permission are repaired, or any Directory errors are found, you may need to re-apply some the latest/biggest updates.

May even need to do an Archive and Install if you have room on the HD, but saves all your files and gives a new OS...

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=107120

I only use Software Update to see what is needed, then get them for real via...

http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/

That way I can wait a week or so, check the forums for potential problems, and get Permissions & such in order before installing.

If all the above fails, then it appears to be time for a relatively painless Archive & Install, which gives you a new/old OS, but can preserve all your files, pics, music, settings, etc., as long as you have plenty of free disk space and no Disk corruption, and is relatively quick & painless...

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=107120

Just be sure to select Preserve Users & Settings.

Hi merchant express, and a warm welcome to the forums! 🙂

I think you have two choices...

Reset OS X Password Without an OS X CD...

http://theappleblog.com/2008/06/22/reset-os-x-password-without-an-os-x-cd/

It'll boot like a newly setup Mac, but all your stuff should still be there once filling out the stuff.

Or, an Archive & Install, which gives you a new/old OS, but can preserve all your files, pics, music, settings, etc., as long as you have plenty of free disk space...

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=107120

Just be sure to select Preserve Users & Settings.

Mar 30, 2009 10:44 AM in response to gblunt99

"Can anyone tell me what Error -50 is?"
You already did. 😉

+"Operation could not be completed: Error -50"+














Are you running the latest version of Entourage?
Which computer & OS is showing this error? Your system info shows 2 OS versions as well as computers.

"I repaired permissions (it showed some ownership discrepancies re the DVD drive which I just installed, and it seems unable to repair them)."
Then try running repair permissions & +repair disk+ from your software install DVD.
Repairing permissions from the Tiger or Leopard DVD

Boot up from your Tiger or Leopard Install DVD while holding down the "c" key.

Select the language you wish to use, and then choose "Disk Utility" from the menu bar.

Your HD should appear in a panel on the left hand side of the window which opens. Select it and then click on the "repair disk" button in the right hand section of the window.

If Disk First aid is able to complete the repair now click on the "Repair permissions" button.

Once this process has been completed restart your computer.

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Mar 31, 2009 7:19 PM in response to Dakota

Thanks for your generous and informative responses everyone. I've tried the simplest one first--resetting the PRAM. I just did that now and we'll see if that clears it up.

I did already try a Repair Disk, booting from my backup hard drive. And I've repaired permissions a couple of times. I keep getting the ref to the DVD -r and -rw. I've sent an email to Powerbook Guy where I bought the internal burner/player.

For clarification, this is the Pismo I'm having the problem with. I think it stems from an error I made the other day. I had removed a bunch of financial stuff from my drive, but I forgot to use Secure Erase, so I used the 7-pass option in Disk Utility to Erase Free Space. However, this process took 14 hours rather than the 4 the system promised at the beginning, and I simply HAD to abort it. Big Mistake.

If you ever use 7-pass, DO NOT ABORT THE PROCESS. Goof that I am, I even ignored Apple's warning message that "halting this operation before it is complete may damage the disk or render it inoperable." (See I thought Apple was being a Nervous Nellie, but they weren't.) Apparently, when the 7-pass operation is complete (and ONLY then) it resets so that the disk reads the space as empty. If you interrupt the process it doesn't reset, and the disk reads all that space as FULL--and you can't use your programs. I dealt with it by zeroing out the space again using the single pass. It has been working fine since them, except for this Error -50.

Thanks again all,

Giles

Apr 1, 2009 12:06 PM in response to gblunt99

This morning the Pismo was dead slow, and a couple of programs unexpectedly quit. So I took another crack at disk repair. I booted from my backup (firewire) drive and ran repair disk. It said there didn't appear to be any problems. I then ran Repair Permissions and it finally fixed the earlier -rw, -r problem. I started up again from the internal HD and again ran Repair Permissions and it didn't find anything. I hope this is the end of it, but I'll keep you posted. Giles

Apr 3, 2009 4:44 AM in response to gblunt99

This problem is looking to be pretty severe. Yesterday I again got the message in Entourage "Database Daemon Fatal Error." And "the disk may be write-protected or almost full. And Word said "cannot save or create this file--memory almost full." But I have 40GB of free space and a gig of RAM.

I started up in Safe mode. It took a long time to boot up. Then I restarted in regular mode. I'm getting these messages again. But Repair Disk doesn't find anything wrong, nor does Repair Permissions. I'm worried that I've permanently damaged this hard drive by my dumb move of interrupting the 7-pass erase process the other day. I just don't know how to fix it, or even if it's fixable. I'm going to try to boot in Safe Mode once again and run Repair Permissions from there. But I'm not optimistic. Should I be taking this into the shop at this point? Or buying another hard drive? Please advise. Giles

Apr 3, 2009 5:50 AM in response to gblunt99

I had a HD crash several months ago... so you should seriously consider buying an external HD and backing up your files ... you can get 500GB - 1TB drives for $100 - $200.

Disk Warrior is a better disk repair utility and might fix it? If not you can use a file extraction program such as DataRescue, and there are others, to save some files from a crashed HD.

My 85GB HD had 15GB of of freespace when it crashed, I've always heard that you need to maintain at least 10% of freespace on your HD, don't know if this is still applicable to today's TB drives?

Apr 3, 2009 9:40 AM in response to Codeslaw

I have a fully bootable backup HD which also serves to back up my other laptop. I'm not in a rush to replace the internal hard drive as it is only about a year old and it wasn't cheap. It's a 100MB/7200 rpm drive. Don't know about Disc Warrior. I have Data Recovery on the external, but (so far!) I haven't lost any data. I think the problem is that the system is not recognizing the free space (40GB) as free space, and I don't know how to remedy that.

Apr 3, 2009 10:49 AM in response to Codeslaw

I've always heard that you need to maintain at least 10% of freespace on your HD, don't know if this is still applicable to today's TB drives?


My thinking is that it's even more important the bigger the drive...

Bigger drives will require more RAM for Disk Caches, which requires more VM.

Moving across 900 GB of used blocks to find the 100 GB that's free may take more time than moving across 90 GB to find 10 GB free space.

I consider 10% to be far too little, I shoot for 40% on Boot Drives as it'll always be going down, and below 30% I notice speed degradation. 🙂

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