what easy setup for 1280x1080 workflow?

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what easy setup for 1280x1080 workflow?

Format I received: (Shot on HPX170)
DVCPRO HD i1080 1280X1080 (1888X1062)
fps: 23.98 (24pA pulldown)

FCP Sequence setup is: HD (1280X1080) 16:9
Compressor: DVCPRO HD 1080i60
My timeline doesn't need to render and everything looks good.

What I don't understand, when I export as current setting, I get 1920X1080. What's going on?
I thought 1080 was referred as 1920x1080, 720 is referred as 1280X720. I thought 'i60' was for interlaced.

Motion exports it out squeezed, FCP upsized it, Mocha is a pain, and After Effects laughed at me. I'm calling it a night.

Mac Pro 2X3.0, 5 gigs RAM, FCP 6.0.5, KonaAJA LHe, Mac OS X (10.5.6)

Posted on Apr 2, 2009 1:39 AM

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Answer 1

Apr 2, 2009 6:23 AM in response to Scott Robert

Your sequence preset isn't right... it should be 720p60 @ 23.98fps... Even though you don't have to render, I'm quite sure it's incorrect. It's just converting the video to 1080i in real time...

Jerry

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Scott Robert Author

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Apr 2, 2009 10:03 AM in response to Jerry Hofmann

Thanks for your reply. Although it was shot 1280x1080, I need to edit in 720? Is this a new format?

Things are getting more complicated with HD everyday. I need to do some catching up.
I figured out 60i is 30 fps interlaced or have I been wrong? P=progressive.
720p60 sounds like 60 progressive frames running at 23.98 fps. Confusing. I'm falling behind with some knowledge of these HD formats.

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Shane Ross

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Apr 2, 2009 10:49 AM in response to Scott Robert

Sorry, but Jerry is mistaken. This doesn't happen often...but he is mistaken.

You shot 1080i60 at 24PA. DVCPRO HD is an anamorphic format that doesn't shoot full raster 1920x1080. It shoots 1280x1080 (other anamorphic formats shoot 1440x1080...only DVCPRO HD is 1280x1080). And since you shot 24pA, that means that you need to have REMOVE ADVANCED PULLDOW checked in the Long and Transfer Preferences (that sprocket looking menu). Then you will end up with 1280x1080 at 23.98. The camera records the 24progressive frames in the 30 interlaced format...and removes the redundant frames and the interlacing when you import into FCP.

You did not shoot 720p60...but FYI that is a 60 fps format that you can also shoot at 24PN. That format records 24 actual FCP, with no pulldown needing to be removed.

Shane

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Answer 4

Apr 2, 2009 10:55 AM in response to Shane Ross

I sure read it wrong. I thought he'd shot 720...

There are too many formats. It's getting pretty dumb. There's something like 150 different easy setups if you install big time capture cards now... this is nuts. You can't even pull all of them up in a single pop up menu... The code allows up to 99 or something... LOL...

Jerry

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Scott Robert Author

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Apr 2, 2009 1:10 PM in response to Shane Ross

Okay, makes some sense. Almost like the DVX100 shooting 24pA. But we didn't call it recording Mini-DV/NTSC 60i with Remove Advanced Pulldown.

Why when I export quicktime movie as Current Settings, it's exporting 1920x1080?
In the Sequence Settings: All the setup option available only shows 1920x1080. I choose one and the sequence settings ends up being 1280x1080 in the long run.

Is this normal?

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Scott Robert Author

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Apr 2, 2009 5:12 PM in response to Scott Robert

Why when I export quicktime movie as Current Settings, it's exporting 1920x1080?

In the Sequence Settings: All the setup option available only shows 1920x1080. I choose one and the sequence settings ends up being 1280x1080 in the long run.

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Shane Ross

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Apr 2, 2009 5:26 PM in response to Scott Robert

When you GET INFO on the clip it says DVCPRO HD 1920x1080? Really?

In the Easy Setups, choose DVCPRO HD 1080i60. Then you click OK. That should set everything where it needs to be. You might have a sequence settings wrong. In those settings, what does it say for COMPRESSOR?

Shane

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Scott Robert Author

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Apr 2, 2009 5:39 PM in response to Shane Ross

Compressor setting says: DVCPRO HD 1080i60

Here's the kick.
As stated in the first post is my easy and sequence setup.
Export as current Quicktime Self-contained movie.

The following applications says this is the format.
AFTER EFFECTS, Cinema Tools, back into FCP: 1280x1080
Finder, MOCHA, QUICKTIME PLAYER: 1980x1080
Compressor: Encode bound=1280x1080, Display Bound=1920x1080

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Answer 9

Shane Ross

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Apr 2, 2009 5:48 PM in response to Scott Robert

Because the Finder and Quicktime unsqueeze it so you see the full image.

Everything is fine...you are fussing about nothin'.

Shane

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Answer 10

Scott Robert Author

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Apr 2, 2009 6:26 PM in response to Shane Ross

whew... Thanks for the good news.

I guess my problem now goes back to the beginning which probably goes to another forum.
I need to un-squeeze the footage in After Effect so Mocha's tracking will work. The corner pin tracking doesn't match.

Thanks for your help, Shane.

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