Mini DV Camera - Get New or Fix Old

I have a Canon ZR-10 that I have had for 4 years. The first one I got had a fault the first week. It was a remove tape fault. I sent it back and got another one. I have had no problems with it since I have owned it the 4 years. Now I have a Please remove tape error and the motor sounds like it is having issues while ejecting the and inserting the tape. I has kind of a stuttering sound that it did not used to have.

I did a search on reviews and found a 2004 reviews on camcorderinfo.com. The JVC (HR-D33 or something) took first place for cameras under $600 (the cheapest mini DV ones made). It was rated the best because of its features and low light performance as well as good picture in good light. Right now I can buy that camera for around $255 on some discount online stores.

This brings me to my next question. Is that cheaper than repairing my old ZR. My fear is after reading some more about these cameras that errors are not uncommon. These things tend to break.

I looked at the newer ZR models and found a lot of the featerues on my old ZR-10 are not available on the newer ZR models such as the zr 200. Features like S-video, Viewfinder that pivots, Mic in. All these are on my ZR-10. So it may be worth it to get the old one fixed then to buy a new ZR. I do not need any still cabability. Mine can take stills but does not have a Card to store them on. This is fine. If I want to take stills I will use my digital still camera.

Another question I have is there a small camera in a little higher price range that will offer me a lot better bang for the buck and be more reliable. I am thinking maybe it has a larger CCD or a 3 CCD. I would like a prosumer camera like a GL-2 or VX2100 but know that is overkill and would probably be a waist of money for my needs. I know my ZR does not do the best in low light. Compatibility with the Mac is a must have.

What to do? Where is a good place to have my old camera looked at?

Posted on Nov 1, 2005 8:25 AM

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Nov 1, 2005 9:51 AM in response to Michelle and Randy

I don't know where to get your camera looked at, as I'm in the UK and you're probably not.

To get a camcorder taken apart and examined and then repaired may cost at minimum around $140. You may get a guarantee on the particular repair (..e.g; tape transport or loading/unloading..) but that guarantee probably won't extend to anything else which may go wrong (..dead mic, bad connector sockets, etc). The examination and repair may cost half the price of a new, guaranteed, camcorder.

In the 4 years since you got it, most cams have had improvements in the CCDs which are used. Most have higher resolution CCDs than were used 4 years ago ..mainly for taking higher resolution stills, which you won't bother with. However, the extra pixels available on those CCDs mean that although the resolution of DV video has stayed the same, the 'sharpness' and contrast of video which you can shoot this year can appear a little better than similar footage shot with an older camcorder. So a newer camcorder may (a) give less trouble over the next few years, and (b) may give better results than an older cam.

A 3 CCD camcorder generally gives a better quality picture than a single CCD cam. But you may not see the differences unless you're comparing like-for-like alongside each other, and it also depends on what and how you're shooting. If it's detailed, quite static shots - e.g; people looking at pictures indoors at an exhibition - a 3 CCD cam will probably give noticeably better results. But if you're shooting kids playing football outdoors in bright sunshine you may see no difference at all.

"..Compatibility with the Mac is a must have.." ..and the most reliably compatible are probably Sonys, with others - like Panasonic, Canon, etc - a close second, and JVC maybe third, and companies newer to photos and video - like Samsung - fourth or so.

So it'd probably give you more peace of mind and reliability to buy a new, mid-to-low-range Sony, something like this at about $399, than have your Canon repaired.

But that's only my view ..others may differ.

P.S: NOTE that in some countries, that camcorder (above) may have only DV OUT, and may not accept edited video back IN to store on tape. If so, the next higher model in the range will have DV IN as well as OUT.

Nov 2, 2005 8:51 AM in response to Michelle and Randy

Hi Michelle & Randy

I had the same problem with my Cannon Elura 40.
My camera cost bout $700.00 originally and about the same to replace, so I set a $300.00 limit on repairs.

I caled the cannon reapir department and received a $150.00 estimate. This was acceptable so I sent it in and it came back in about a week.

If you choose the repair option, I highly recommend the Cannon repair dept as you can track the repair online, it is quick, and they will do a follow-up.

Good luck

Nov 2, 2005 10:08 AM in response to Michelle and Randy

The DCR HC series all work with iMovie. The only problem I've ever had with a Sony miniDV cam was (..and it was a fault with several of just this one model..) that the internal mics gradually got quieter and eventually cut out after about 3 or 4 years ..that's a TRV900.

Never had any other problems with it, nor with any other Sony camcorder.

A bit of disappointment with some JVC models:
1 - Original JVC miniDV camcorder (..which didn't have a DV/iLink/FireWire connection..) worked marvellously, except for teeny audio dropout between shots when playing back.
2 - 2nd JVC 'paperback book' shape miniDV camcorder ..ditto bad replay, but also insufficient shutter speed range ..tended to always shoot at high speed in bright light, giving minutely 'stuttering' video effect on playback (..I like to shoot at a one-fiftieth shutter speed, for smooth motion..)
3 - JVC VHS-&-miniDV deck ..same audio dropout effect when playing back through normal analogue connections or to TV, but OK when playing digitally through FireWire connection. Took it to JVC workshop for examination and they said, after studying it carefully, "Yes, all our miniDV products do that." So I never touched another JVC miniDV product after that.

Nov 2, 2005 10:26 AM in response to Dan Walker3

Keep the opinions coming. I did a little research on canons website and found that is simple to get a quote and send out for repairs. My quote came back at $157. Once they get the camera if they can actually fix it for that cost is may be worth it. I don't want another break easy camera so If I do upgrade it will more than likely be a sony with passthrough. Add another $200 or more to get something like that. If I could save the $200 and get mine fixed and enjoy another 3-5 years It would be worth it. Not that much has changed yet since I purchased mine. But If mine breaks again a few years down the road the formats may have changed for the better by then and be more worth upgrading. Likd 16:9 or HD may be standard for these little consumer models. What do you think?

Nov 21, 2005 7:26 PM in response to David Babsky

Just wanted to thank everyone for the help. I decided to save money and just fix the camera. I liked some features that I had that are not offered with the newer cheaper models. I got a quote that was around $157 so I figured I should send it in and get it fixed.

Well I got an email that it was done and cost $62 from Canon service department in NJ. Anyway I got the camera back today and it works great. For $62 I think I made the right decision. This camera has served me well and I hope it continues too until newer tech comes out.

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