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Two airports same network - can't go between them

On my macbook when I am on one Airport Express and move to another part of the house with a different Airport Express I seem to lose network connectivity. Both Airport Expresses are configured with the same network name and wpa keys. They are on different channels and several channels apart. The only way to correct the problem is to Turn off my Airport and turn is back on to jump on the other express Any ideas?

Thanks!

Neil

Message was edited by: heffneil - more detail

Posted on May 1, 2009 6:50 PM

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May 1, 2009 8:11 PM in response to Duane

Both are connected to the network via wire. They are "Creating a wireless Network" I have a lousy Linksys router right after the modem that is handing out DHCP addresses. I just realized I said there were two airport expresses but one is a time capsule and the other is an airport express. Not a huge difference there.

Thanks,

Neil

May 4, 2009 5:39 PM in response to swixo

Channel changing doesn't seem to have helped. I did notice that if I am streaming a movie it seems like the connection stays "alive". I don't know if maybe I am just locked in to the original access point in that situation. Any other suggestions?

Is there a way to escalate this issue to Apple Support?

Thanks!

Neil

May 4, 2009 8:08 PM in response to heffneil

Hello heffneil;
... lousy Linksys router right after the modem that is handing out DHCP

Hmm, I have a question; Do you really need the Linksys in this network? I think you should let the TC or AE do DHCP and pitch the Linksys.

Download this Apple PDF about [Designing AirPort Networks|http://manuals.info.apple.com/en US/Designing_AirPort_Networks10.5-Windows.pdf] and read page 46. I think you want to just extend you WiFi because you have them wired together.

Good Luck.

Buzz

May 5, 2009 5:58 AM in response to Buzz Lightgear

Ok thanks but the Linksys doing DHCP really isn't complicating things right now. I leave the linksys for visitors to jump on the wireless without giving out the password to my network.

In regards to extending the wireless network that is if I was going to wirelessly extend the network. I believe they are configured properly, maybe you just can't hope between the two? Seems strange.

Neil

May 5, 2009 7:32 AM in response to heffneil

Hey heffneil,
Ok thanks but the Linksys doing DHCP really isn't complicating things right now. I leave the linksys for visitors to jump on the wireless without giving out the password to my network.

O.K. The Linksys is your route to the Internet and the DHCP Server plus WiFi. Both the TC & the AE have WiFi. Hmm, 3 WiFi Access Points in the same vicinity. O.K. I'll come back to this but how do you have the TC & AE wired?
Both Airport Expresses are configured with the same network name and wpa keys.

Both can't be named the same unless they're set up to extend the WiFi.
They are on different channels and several channels apart.

All WiFi channels should be set to Automatic. This will reduce interference between your 3 WiFi's.
I believe they are configured properly, maybe you just can't hope between the two? Seems strange.


Hmm, "If we knew what we were doing it wouldn't be research.", Albert Einstein.

Please read Apples PDF about [Airport Networks|http://manuals.info.apple.com/en US/Designing_AirPort_Networks10.5-Windows.pdf] (< Click this Link)

Good Luck.

Buzz

May 5, 2009 7:39 AM in response to Buzz Lightgear

I'm not going to argue but if you had two access points that weren't apple branded I would think you could switch between them without issue?

The TC and the AE both are connected to a switch. The uplink on that switch is the linksys.

I have reviewed / read that document and it is poor. There is little to no explanation to the difference between create a network and extend a network. It just isn't clear.

I don't have interference issues. I even have another AE that I am using as a wireless to wired adapter for my SageTV set top box.

Thanks,

Neil

May 5, 2009 9:22 AM in response to Buzz Lightgear

Hmm, 3 WiFi Access Points in the same vicinity.


That shouldn't be a problem with the proper configuration.

Both can't be named the same unless they're set up to extend the WiFi.


Wrong. They would also be given the same network name if they are wired together and used to create a large wireless network.

All WiFi channels should be set to Automatic. This will reduce interference between your 3 WiFi's.


Wrong. There is nothing published which explains how the "Automatic" channel selection decides which channel to pick. There are a lot of cases where "Automatic" picked a lousy channel. It is much better to manage the channels manually.

May 5, 2009 11:16 AM in response to Duane

Ok well if you can switch between any other brands two access points I can't see why if I have it setup to extend a wireless network (which I am convinced is wrong and only wirelessly extends the network) or act as an access point would make the difference.

Any other ideas? Anything I should try change or test? I am ok fiddling with settings up I just don't see anything that looks wrong...

Thanks,

Neil

May 5, 2009 6:45 PM in response to Duane

Hi There, Duane.
Hmm, 3 WiFi Access Points in the same vicinity.
That shouldn't be a problem with the proper configuration.

I know, you know but I wanted to know if heffneil knew or wanted to know? I want to help him set up this network and answer his questions about his stuff. I know I'm vague but I needed to know if wants to learn how or be shown how.

Both can't be named the same unless they're set up to extend the WiFi.
Wrong. They would also be given the same network name if they are wired together and used to create a large wireless network.

I was hoping heffneil would ask me to explain.
All WiFi channels should be set to Automatic. This will reduce interference between your 3 WiFi's
Wrong. There is nothing published which explains how the "Automatic" channel selection decides which channel to pick.


Yes, Automatic is lousy but I was hoping heffneil would ask me to explain.
Published reference to "Automatic".
1) [WiKi Link|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless accesspoint#Limitations]
+Wireless devices can "listen" for data traffic on other frequencies, and can rapidly switch from one frequency to another to achieve better reception. However, the limited number of frequencies becomes problematic in using multiple WAPs. In such an environment, signal overlap becomes an issue causing interference, which results in signal dropage and data errors.+

2) [WiKi Link|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wi-Fi#Population]
+Many 2.4 GHz 802.11b and 802.11g access points default to the same channel on initial startup, contributing to congestion on certain channels. To change the channel of operation for an access point requires the user to configure the device.+

This is my verification that my old AEBS w/telephone modem can.
I have a WiFi AEBS AP, a G5 w/Airport and an iPhone. I only used 'Automatic' because I tried every channel in the list and this was the only setting that consistently gave me access. I've watched channels change many times as Wireless Clients come & go Yea, I know. I only have 1 WiFi AP & 2 WiFi clients but my AEBS will find the best channel use for both. Channel #2 for one client & #1 for both. The AEBS likes these two channels and is consistent. If I manually select 1 or 2 it's not consistent.

I'm sure you can guess which definition I'll remember.

Wrong: (definition)
1) adjective _not correct or true_
2) noun Law _an invasion of right to the damage or prejudice of another_



Good Bye.

Buzz

+"Knowledge of what is does not open the door directly to what should be."+, Albert Einstein.

Two airports same network - can't go between them

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