MBP Logic board failure

Hi,
My MBP is less than 2 years old I got the logic board replacement once within waranty due to some display problem, Again the display is gone blank and sleep light is on continuously I took it to service they are telling logic board problem needs to be replaced. and I dont have waranty.

Can any one tell me why logic board failure repetedly any reasons my MBP is late 2007 model.

macbook pro, Mac OS X (10.5.4)

Posted on May 3, 2009 5:37 AM

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Jan 17, 2012 3:17 PM in response to dprats

Hey Daniel!


What happened finally after sending the written letter? Did they acknowlege the issue and gave a solution? My brand new MacBook Pro is also facing an array of problems and I contacted AppleCare for a replacement and finally ended up like yours. I was asked to write a letter and send it to Cork, Ireland and the senior advisor promised me that they will certainly replace my machine with a brand new one. He also promised me that he will help me with this process and gave his apple email address! I'd like to know what happened to yours.


Thanks

Jan 18, 2012 12:36 PM in response to sreenivas

hey only to report that the logic board of my MBP is broken too, and is too expensive . Is better buy another computer,

Im not shure on buying a MBP again. apple stuff its looking like plastic toys that works 3 to 4 years and then you have to buy another. I bought mine in summer in 2008 and 3 and a half years later this happens. really,

apple quality is getting worse and worse, im dissapointed


my dad has a sony vaio like 10 years ago and is still working


!!! HEY APPLE I HOPE YOU DONT CONTINUE WITH THIS CHEAP MANUFACTURING AND GET BACK TO THE TIME WHEN YOU WERE KNOWN BY YOUR QUALITY,. PLEASE MAKE RELIABLE STUFF.


sorry if my english is not too good

Jan 18, 2012 12:51 PM in response to jose darimatea

Hope this helps (& your English is great)

Symptoms

In July 2008, NVIDIA publicly acknowledged a higher than normal failure rate for some of their graphics processors due to a packaging defect. At that same time, NVIDIA assured Apple that Mac computers with these graphics processors were not affected. However, after an Apple-led investigation, Apple has determined that some MacBook Pro computers with the NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT graphics processor may be affected. If the NVIDIA graphics processor in your MacBook Pro has failed, or fails within four years of the original date of purchase, a repair will be done free of charge, even if your MacBook Pro is out of warranty.

What to look for:

  • Distorted or scrambled video on the computer screen
  • No video on the computer screen (or external display) even though the computer is on

Specific products affected:

  • MacBook Pro 15-inch and 17-inch models with NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT graphics processors
    • MacBook Pro (17-Inch, 2.4GHz)
    • MacBook Pro (15-Inch, 2.4/2.2GHz)
    • MacBook Pro (Early 2008)
  • These computers were manufactured between approximately May 2007 and September 2008

Resolution

If your MacBook Pro is exhibiting any of the symptoms listed above, please take it to an Apple Retail Store or anApple Authorized Service Provider (AASP) for evaluation, or call your nearest Apple Contact Center. Before visiting the Genius Bar at the Apple Retail Store, please make a reservation (available in some countries only).


Apple is issuing refunds to customers who may have paid for repairs related to this issue. Please contact Apple for details on the refund process.

Note: If your MacBook Pro is not experiencing any of these symptoms, you do not need to contact Apple.

Apple will continue to evaluate the repair data and will provide further repair extensions as needed.

Jan 18, 2012 1:01 PM in response to deborah16

I'm certain you did not read all the posts on here, Apple only replaces the logic board if they get a failure code. My laptop turned on but could not run the diagnostics so I was told its my problem, not theirs. Everyone at the store, repair depot and even the man who eventually fixed the video chip on the logic board said it was the NVIDIA CHIP. So no, Apple is not doing anything...the fail rate on these systems is astonishing and its taken hundreds if not thousands of their customers having to call and escalate to support over and over again. No code, its your fault. Well I can honestly say, no code and five minute repair to the graphics chip and what a surprise, everything boots and works again. Apple just does not want to pay or have anything to do with a repair they can't profit from. And yes, they do profit. It does not cost 900 dollars to manufacture and replace a logic board, but I can assure you they are billing this repair to Nvidia and making a profit somewhere. I didn't buy an Apple to be told my 4000 dollar laptop is a brick, its your fault and we dont really care if its going to cost you a thousand to fix it. Its pathetic! Especially given you can buy a hundred different laptops for under a 1000 now that will last a decade. Everyone on here it seems starts having issues around year three with their MBP's...about when the extended AppleCare expires. Some people have had good experiences, most have not.

Jan 18, 2012 1:44 PM in response to sreenivas

Sony: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1528907/sony-admits-failing-nvidia-chip s-months-late


And to those that can't get your computer to show the "failure code" just read my previous post on how I got it to finally register after I reset the PMU and PRAM.


I also wrote how I got the Apple Store to replace the logic board in my 4 1/2 year old MBP. Give it a shot.


Also realize Nvidia's the one to blame here....not Apple, Sony, Dell or HP or any of the other PC manufacturer's. It's the chip which is failing. Their settlement with the PC manufacturer's is for 3 years, so anything older, then the manufacturer has to eat it (and in my case the Apple Store had to (not the mothership)).


And as far as quality, I think that was a troll statement. All my friends PC's, on an average, last ~3 years. All my friends Mac's are 5 years plus. I still have a 9 year old iBook I use every now and then and a Twentieth Anniversary Mac from 1997 (almost 15 years old!!). And check out the customer satisfaction indexes and you'll see Apple is always tops by a wide margin.

Jan 18, 2012 1:45 PM in response to Navycross

Sorry to disappoint you but I too have had my issues with Apple Macbook Pros & am only trying to help in any way I can.

I did not buy any extended warranty as we have a very good Sale of Goods Act in the UK.

My HP laptop running Windows Vista has been used all day, every day for almost 5 years without any serious issues, never needed any repair & I didn't buy any extended warranty with it.



deborah16 East Sussex, UK


I have a new Macbook Pro late 2011 (2.2GHz intel core i7) purchased 2 weeks ago after returning my Macbook Pro mid 2010 (purchased Dec 2010) which had suffered with many of the issues reported in these discussions and had a new logic board after it was just 8 months old and was due for another but I decided to return it instead and received a full refund. I am now having issues with the new model freezing, unresponsive trackpad and noisy fan and am considering returning it as I can't go through this again!

Jan 18, 2012 1:50 PM in response to deborah16

Troll comment? Please, I have been using a Mac since the 80's and their powerbooks since the G4 Pismo. Apple's quality and standards have lowered over the years and you need only talk to a service rep who has more than a few years experience. The PRAM and PMU works about 5% of the time and as I stated in an earlier post, anyone needing the repair done for only 125 dollars, there is a person who is able to do it and he has a 95% success rate. I have replaced the superdrive, the battery three times and now the logic board repair...sorry but paying four times the average cost in the industry, I expect a lot more than what I've been seeing the past five or six years.

Jan 18, 2012 2:14 PM in response to Navycross

I'm sorry if I don't get it but I don't really know what you're talking about but I thought the discussion was about faulty Apple Macbooks. I'm not really bothered about how long someone has been using Macs or any other computer but at the end of the day it's about being able to use it and not worry about PRAM and PMU or how much it costs to repair it. I just want to be able to use my computer without having to worry about the next time it's going to freeze or cause big problems which is why I'm never going to buy or recommend an Apple computer in the future.

Feb 6, 2012 3:49 AM in response to sreenivas

I brought my late 2007 Macbook pro 17" to the official Apple Service Provider because it´s totally death from one start to another. Repair should cost approx. 1200 Euro. To the questoin whether it may be the known graficproblem the service engineer said: Sure. But: No code, no goodwill.


Dear Apple!

This was my first and my last Macbook Pro.

Good luck for the future.

Feb 9, 2012 2:30 PM in response to Joguan

While this may not be everyone's problem. If your computer worked fine one day and then on boot up the next day it didn't you might have the same problem as me. My fans spun up fine, but black screen and no chime. It was 18 months old and I didn't have Apple Care, I was advised $2000 to replace the logicboard, after they denied it was the known issue of the Nvidia GPU.


So reading up I found out about an issue with sub standard solder on quite a few models of Macbooks and Powerbooks, not enough solder was used and the constant heating up and cooling down of the logic board causes the solder over time to crack breaking the electrical circuit. Simple solution - reflow the solder.


Carefully remove you logicboard and place it in the over at 200˚C / 375˚F for about 8 minutes, on a tinfoil (aluminum foil) lined baking tray resting on 4 balls of foil. I did that and I now have my laptop back in working order as good as new - about to do it with my wife's laptop that suffered a similar problem as well.


Sounds crazy, but it works and it costs maybe 30 minutes of your time.

Feb 23, 2012 3:04 PM in response to Octafish Media

Sign me up for the logic board failure on my Macbook Pro (Early 2008 model) also. The funny thing is it had not been 5 minutes after I had used it, the computer would not display a visual on my screen from sleep mode. I disconnected it from the external screen, unplugged all of the USB from the ports and held the POWER button down to restart. Computer shut off and then I waited 1 minute before powering again. Fans were running, DVD did its inital start, but no chime, or visual display.


I took it to ComputerAdvantage (Authorized Apple Service Provider) and they stated that they could run a diagnostics test ($22.50). After waiting 2 days, I received the called today and they tell me that the logic board is the cause of its problems. He quoted me for $390 they would replace it. I told them that Macbook was one of the affected from the recall of the graphics card and asked if that could have caused the issue, in which, he stated, that he did not know.


As of now, they still have it at their store (only been a few hours since the call). I am just wondering and hoping that IF I get it serviced that they will honor the free repair claim.

Feb 28, 2012 1:31 PM in response to sreenivas

Just wanted to let you know about my experience with the logic board failure on my 2009 mac book pro. Like many others in here, the problem arose without any warnings, the light on the front stayed on but the computer was unresponsive in any way. By restarting (holding down the power button until it shut down) I could hear the optical drive start up, but never had the screen nor the chime appear. We didn't have apple care, nor had we encountered any other issues with this particular computer up until this point.


We hadn't backed up the hard drive in a long time, so we had to do a tear down to remove the hard drive. Luckily that went without incident, and all data was intact. After copying the data and putting the computer back together we took it to our first scheduled Genius appointment. We decided to play dumb and act as if we hadn't researched this issue at all. The tech of course couldn't run any diagnostic tests and told us that the logic board had failed. He suggested we send it in to apple's repair facility at a cost of $310, stating that it was a flat fee for fixes such as this. We were already considering replacing this computer but were hoping to either sell it, or use it as a media device for our home theater. We ultimately decided that we'd think about it.


Later that day, still a little disappointed that this wouldn't be covered, and in the area of another apple store we scheduled another appointment with the Genius Bar. This time the tech was really receptive and understanding of the issue. I think the first words out of his mouth were "I think I've got some good news." He attempted to run some diagnostic tests, but again they wouldn't work. He then told us about the issues of the logic board, and that even though it was out of warranty, that Apple would pay for the repair at no cost to us. He told us it would take about a week to get our machine back.


Later that night (about 7 hours later) my wife received an email from the apple store that our MBP was ready for pickup. The next day we came back in and sure enough, the computer was back up and running in all of its former glory.


Moral of the story, if you have multiple apple stores in your area, don't hesitate to take it to several stores. I'm not sure of what Apple's policies are in this case, obviously they aren't in line with one another. Perhaps we caught a nice employee that was genuinely concerned about our Apple overall experience, or whether the other employee had been explicitly informed to not cover the expense. In the end I now know which store I will be buying future products from, at least locally.

Mar 3, 2012 1:44 PM in response to gnollkamp

Hey everyone,


I've been having the same issue with my Macbook Pro - early 2008 model purchased in September 2008. I've had distorted/scrambled video a couple of times, but not thought much of it - and then last summer my computer was going to sleep randomly. I took it to the Apple Store in London and they checked it and said it was all okay. Then at the beginning of this year, it went into kernel panic when I was installing updates. I finally managed to reinstall Snow Leopard and it worked fine for a couple of weeks, and then when I booted it up it showed the 'no entry' sign instead of the apple logo. I took it into the Apple Store last week and the technician reinstalled Snow Leopard and said it was just a software issue that is always fixed by erase and install. The install went fine and it went to the start up/welcome screen and he gave my computer back to me. That afternoon I turned it on and it wouldn't start up - the light at the front would come on and you can hear the drive/fans starting but it wouldn't start in safe mode. I took it back to the store, and he ran a quick test on it to see if it was the RAM but determined it was the logic board which would cost £400 to repair. I came home and did some research and found out about the NVIDIA issues, so phoned Apple support. The technician I spoke to was unhelpful and told me that the logic board and the graphics card are two different parts and the graphics card wouldn't cause a logic board issue. However he also told me that they should have informed me in store that my model is from a faulty batch. He referred me to a senior advisor who also agreed that the issue I was experiencing wouldn't be from the graphics card. I have another Apple Store appointment tomorrow and I am going back with print outs etc of the forum posts by people who have had the same issue as me and got a free replacement. My computer isn't making the start up chime so I am worried that they will just pass it off as a logic board problem like they have with others, if they are unable to get the code, but I am determined to get this issue fixed for free. I've been impressed with Apple products and the service of the Genius Bar etc but this has been particularly frustrating, and I thought the phone technicians were rude and unsupportive.


Fingers crossed for tomorrow...

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