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Macbook, Final Cut Express and Canon 5D video files

Hello everyone.

I intend to purchase my first Apple Mac soon. It will probably be the Aluminium Macbook with 4GB RAM.

I am an avid photographer and use the Canon EOS 5D Mark II. I can handle all the processing of the still photographs without a problem but I would like to take advantage of the cameras HD video capability. I know nothing about video editing but I have read that Final Cut is about the best video editor out there. My PC struggles to even play the movies from my camera, let alone edit them.

I have the following questions that I hope some of you can answer:

1. Will the standard Macbook with 4GB RAM be able to handle and edit the large video files (1.2GB for a 5 minute video clip)? I would prefer not to buy the Macbook Pro if possible. The computer will only be used for video editing occasionally. I will not be making 90 minute Hollywood style productions... just 5 minute short films once in a while.

2. Does the cheapest version of Final Cut (Final Cut Express) handle files from the Canon 5D2?

3. I know the video from the Canon 5D2 is generally disliked because it is 30fps and is in a strange format. However, I am not able to change this and I will not be buying a dedicated video camera as I rarely shoot video. So, I need to know if the Macbook and Final Cut Express can do the business with these files. Do you have any advice on how to handle the 5D2 files?

Any advice greatly appreciated.

None yet, Other OS, Planning to buy Macbook

Posted on May 12, 2009 8:20 AM

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May 12, 2009 2:30 PM in response to jackflint

Will the standard Macbook with 4GB RAM be able to handle and edit the large video files (1.2GB for a 5 minute video clip)?


Yes. You have a lot of hard-drive space with the Macbook Aluminum, so that shouldn't be an issue but you might consider using an external hard-drive to store your media if you ever start making longer movies. To tell you the truth, the Macbook with 2GB of RAM would probably work just as well. I recently upgraded mine and it didn't make much of a difference. Either way though, the Macbook should work fine with Final Cut, mine does. You might consider getting the one with the 2.4GHz processor, I have the feeling that will make more of a difference when editing than the extra RAM.

Does the cheapest version of Final Cut (Final Cut Express) handle files from the Canon 5D2?


Sort of, but it doesn't edit them natively. You can either drop the files in the timeline and render it out and it will work, or, if you don't want to render whenever you make a change, a better technique would be to first convert the clips using an application like the free [MPEG Streamclip|http://www.squared5.com> to something FCE can edit natively such as Apple Intermediate Codec. It's not as simple as drag-and-drop, but it will work.

Do you have any advice on how to handle the 5D2 files?


See above. I recommend the Streamclip conversion over the rendering though. If you have a lot of files to convert, Streamclip has a batch conversion setting so you can set what to convert to once and Streamclip will convert all the files. Converted files can then be edited in FCE without any particular problems.

You should convert using these settings:
Compression: +Apple Intermediate Codec for HD or DV-NTSC for SD+
*Frame Size:* +(A supported FCE frame size, for example 1920x1080, 1440x1080, 720x480, etc. The supported frame size you choose should be as close to your original frame size as possible)+
*Frame Rate:* 29.97
Sound: +Uncompressed Stereo 48kHz+

Keep in mind that the Macbook Aluminum lacks a Firewire port, so if that is detrimental to your use you should consider getting the white Macbook or the Macbook Pro. I believe the Canon 5D Mark II uses USB for transfer though, so it shouldn't be that much of a problem.

May 12, 2009 10:26 PM in response to skalicki

Thanks for all your help. That is really excellent information. Your help will be a really good starting point for my video editing.

I will try the Streamclip method. It was the famous short film called Reverie by Vincent LaForet that amazed me with the cameras capability. It made me want to try and have a go myself at doing something with the video on my camera. It's been a big disappointment on my PC. I can't even watch the full HD clips on my PC without them stuttering, let alone even attempt to edit them.

It's good news that the standard Macbook will do the business. I was really trying to avoid buying the Macbook Pro.

One last question...

There are so many different versions of Final Cut that I have heard about. I have heard that some versions (possibly older versions?) won't deal with files from the 5D2. Can you confirm that the latest version of Final Cut Express will handle the 5D2 files?

Thanks again for your really useful advice. I really do appreciate it.

May 13, 2009 4:39 AM in response to skalicki

That's brilliant. Thank you ever so much for all your advice. It's nice to come on a forum and be given good sound information.

Since my last post I have ordered my new Macbook. I went for the aluminium Macbook with 2.4Ghz CPU. I left the RAM at 2GB and will upgrade it to 4GB if necessary in the future.

I can't wait to get started.

I've just learnt that parts of the new Harry Potter movie are being filmed using the Canon EOS 5D MkII as well as the movie Fact: Iron Man 2.

Thanks again for your help. I really do appreciate it.

May 13, 2009 8:12 AM in response to skalicki

If he's going to be using FCE he's going to be converting the media to the Apple Intermediate Codec, which has a quite high data rate. He'll probably not want to play it from the internal drive, and really needs to connect a fast FireWire drive.

I don't really recommend the MacBook or the low end iMac for use with FCE because of the integrated graphics implementation, which limits the application.

May 13, 2009 9:10 AM in response to Tom Wolsky

Hi Tom,

Thanks for your input. As I said earlier, video editing will only be done occasionally. The main reason for buying a Macbook is not for video editing but as a general laptop. I cannot forsee me producing any film or movie that runs any longer longer than a few minutes.

My intention is to produce a short movie then burn it onto DVD so it can be played on a standalone DVD player and HD TV. Once that is done, the Final Cut file will be saved to an external hard drive... probably never to see the light of day again.

I have never used a Mac in my life and if I get to like using the Macbook then when I next upgrade my main desktop computer I may end up getting a high spec Mac Pro desktop instead of a Windows based PC. I should then be able to edit video to my hearts content.

I need the standard aluminium Macbook 2.4Ghz to be capable of playing and editing 5D2 video files. I don't necessarily need super fast performance as I am never in a rush. All I want is the facility to edit video without the computer having a meltdown. I obviously also need the files to play smoothly with no stuttering and jerkiness like on a PC. As long as it can do this I will be happy.

If you genuinely think that the standard Macbook will not do this, please let me know.

Thanks again for your valuable input and assistance.

May 13, 2009 1:18 PM in response to jackflint

It depends to a large degree on what you need to do, how much you use the computer and full and how fast the internal drive is. The internal drive will be very marginal for HD material, especially if you try to edit multiple tracks of video and/or audio. You will not be able to use an external drive properly as the computer only has USB ports.

May 13, 2009 2:48 PM in response to Tom Wolsky

That being said, I frequently use my Macbook Aluminum for editing movies made from AVCHD files with mulitiple tracks of video and audio and a USB external drive (though not recommended by Apple). I have not had any problems as of yet. Judging on what you intend to be doing with FCE (no feature films!) you should probably be fine.

May 14, 2009 12:09 AM in response to skalicki

Thanks guys,

Well, the 15-inch and 17-inch Macbook Pro models have the exact same internal hard drive as the standard Macbook I have already ordered (250GB or 320GB SATA 5400rpm). The 15-inch pro model also has the same CPU (2.4Ghz). There is an option to upgrade the Macbook Pro to a 7200rpm HDD and another option to upgrade the CPU to 2.66 or 2.9 Ghz. But... if I chose those two options the total price for the laptop would be exactly DOUBLE what I have paid for the 2.4Ghz standard Macbook (£2000 GBP which equates to around $3000 USD) which is way over my budget.

As I see it, there are only two differences between the Pro and standard versions that would affect my video editing. The Pro has the so called discrete NVIDIA 9600M graphics capability and it also has firewire. Other than those two variables there are no other aspects of the Macbook Pro that I can imagine being of any advantage to the occasional video editing that I plan on doing.

I very much doubt I will ever use an external drive to assist in editing video. My productions will be short and sweet and will be entirely based on the internal HDD. When the finished movie is completed I will archive it to an external drive and leave it there.

Perhaps I am trying to convince myself that I have made the right decision, I just don't know. The purpose of this Macbook will be for general internet, email and one or two minor applications. FCE will probably only be used three or four times a year for a couple of small promotional videos. That's all I need it to do. As long as it can do that I will be happy.

May 14, 2009 11:49 AM in response to jackflint

If you are storing your media on your internal drive, you shouldn't have any problems. I have not seen any problems using my Macbook, even with the integrated graphics. FCE runs quickly and smoothly, and if you convert your videos using Streamclip you should be fine. If you are only planning to be making small videos at a time, the internal drive should work fine for storing your media.

May 14, 2009 11:25 PM in response to skalicki

Thanks again my friend. I think I have made the right decision (with your help of course). I am looking forward to getting started. I have never used a Mac in my life so I will need to find my way around the thing first. I am looking forward to having fewer freeze-ups, fewer virus and trojan hassles and a laptop that weighs half as much as my current Win XP laptop.

Thanks for all your help and advice. It is greatly appreciated.

May 15, 2009 5:16 PM in response to jackflint

I'm glad to hear you are liking it so far. Good luck with your journey!

In case you are interested, here are a couple sites to get you started using your Mac:

http://www.apple.com/support/switch101/

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,2072352,00.asp

Also, if you find that you are struggling with the learning curve of FCE, I would recommend getting one of two training books:

1. [Final Cut Express 4 Editing Workshop|http://www.amazon.com/Final-Cut-Express-Editing-Workshop/dp/0240810775 /ref=sr 12?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1240436986&sr=8-2] by Tom Wolsky. This is how I learned the program and I can assure you that it is a comprehensive guide with everything from basic to more advanced techniques. I highly recommend it. Tom is a frequent contributor to this forum, so if you had any questions about a lesson then he'd be here to help you out.

2. [Apple Pro Training Series: Final Cut Express 4|http://www.amazon.com/Apple-Pro-Training-Final-Express/dp/0321534670/ref=sr 14?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1240437118&sr=8-4] by Diana Weynand. Though I can't vouch for it personally, I have heard from many people who were pleased with their experience learning from this book, and I'm sure it is quite good also.

Of course, you always have the option of teaching yourself. However, if you wish to be truly proficient in Final Cut I'd recommend learning with one of the above methods as it might cover things you might not have thought of yourself, but would be quite happy to learn!

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