new camera raw support in 10.5.7

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igrok-mac Author

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new camera raw support in 10.5.7

But unfortunately still no Leica D-LUX4 or Panasonic LX3.

macs, iphone, Mac OS X (10.5.6)

Posted on May 12, 2009 1:29 PM

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May 12, 2009 1:34 PM in response to igrok-mac

What is the new camera RAW support? It doesn't seem like they actually updated the camera RAW support page today, did they?

Canon EOS 5D Mark II
Canon EOS 50D
Canon PowerShot G10
Epson R-D1x
Pentax K2000/K-m
Leaf AFi-II 6
Leaf AFi-II 7
Leaf Aptus-II 6
Leaf Aptus-II 7
Leica M8.2
Nikon D3X
Nikon Coolpix P6000
Nikon D90
Sony DSLR-A900

....guess I answered my own question. Why do they hate panasonic so much. Was personally hoping for Lumix FZ28. ah well, guess I'm sticking with Adobe for now...

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Ray Allen

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May 12, 2009 1:54 PM in response to igrok-mac

Thats poor, I'm also waiting for Lumix FZ28, this camera has been out for a few months now and should be in this list.

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May 12, 2009 3:53 PM in response to igrok-mac

Pretty weird that the D Lux 4 still isn't supported. Its not going to be as popular as the G10 but its an important new camera and is, I think, selling well. I want to use aperture, but this is stopping me.

Please Apple - do something about it!

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nerowolfe

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May 12, 2009 4:02 PM in response to Mark Tegethoff

Mark Tegethoff wrote:
What is the new camera RAW support? It doesn't seem like they actually updated the camera RAW support page today, did they?

Canon EOS 5D Mark II
Canon EOS 50D
Canon PowerShot G10
Epson R-D1x
Pentax K2000/K-m
Leaf AFi-II 6
Leaf AFi-II 7
Leaf Aptus-II 6
Leaf Aptus-II 7
Leica M8.2
Nikon D3X
Nikon Coolpix P6000
Nikon D90
Sony DSLR-A900

....guess I answered my own question. Why do they hate panasonic so much.

Hate is such a strong emotion.

Perhaps Panasonic is not supplying Apple with the proper information? Vendors supply Apple with drivers/documentation and Apple, if possible, adds it to the system. It's not other way around. Perhaps you should call Panasonic and ask them if they have provided Apple with the information?
I see Apple supports
Panasonic DMC-FZ50
Panasonic DMC-LC1
Panasonic DMC-L1
Panasonic DMC-LX1
Panasonic DMC-LX2

Was personally hoping for Lumix FZ28. ah well, guess I'm sticking with Adobe for now...

Again, check with the vendor for information. Apple is not responsible for vendors not supplying information apropos the drivers.

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igrok-mac Author

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May 12, 2009 4:59 PM in response to paulmlewis

It's an important camera, a fine camera, and it's been out for something like 6 months. At this point, it seems that Apple is simply not supporting this camera. Funny, Leica chose to save its movies in .mov quicktime format, supporting an Apple standard. I wonder if there's a particular issue with this camera's raw format.

In any event, the jpegs coming straight out of this camera are really very good. Indeed, I've tried Capture One to replicate the jpegs and I can't really do it. So for now I'm shooting jpeg, and for most important shots jpeg + raw and just saving the raw files until some future date when it's supported.

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Harry

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May 12, 2009 6:15 PM in response to igrok-mac

Unfortunately there is no RAW "standard." Every camera makers RAW is different just as ever printer com maker's printer drivers are different. It's up to these manufactures to supply the data to Apple so Apple can incorporate into OS X, iPhoto, Aperture, etc. Its the product manufacturer's call whether to support Macs _not Apple's to support the product_. Some manufacturers don't think the Mac market is big enough to bother with so they don't bother. If you want Panasonic to support the Mac then write to their customer service and tell them.

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nerowolfe

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May 12, 2009 6:27 PM in response to igrok-mac

igrok-mac wrote:
It's an important camera, a fine camera, and it's been out for something like 6 months. At this point, it seems that Apple is simply not supporting this camera.

Are you sure that the camera company is not supporting Apple? Apple does not create drivers out of the ether. It's a two-way street. Why are you so sure it's solely an Apple problem? Do you know for a fact that information was submitted to Apple and was ignored?

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igrok-mac Author

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May 12, 2009 6:55 PM in response to nerowolfe

nerowolfe, no, of course I don't "know for a fact that information was submitted to Apple and was ignored." I used reason and logic to conclude that it's more likely than not that information has been supplied. And I could just as well be wrong. But here's what I based my thinking on:

Leica announced both the M8.2 and the D-LUX4 on the same day last September, and I believe the DLUX4 was actually available before the M8.2, which is now supported. Indeed, I think every Leica digital camera is supported now, except for the DLUX4. In order for us to conclude that Leica is the problem, we'd have to suppose that, unlike all of its other cameras, Leica is holding back on this one specific model for some reason. Is that a reasonable supposition? I don't think so. Further, their predecessors are supported (both the M8 and the D-LUX 3). So at least the history here suggests that Leica does cooperate. But it's certainly possible that this camera was singled out for special treatment. Who knows, maybe they made a deal with PhaseOne, makers of CaptureOne supplied with the camera, not to give the secret sauce ingredients to Apple.

But no, I don't know for sure that information was in fact supplied and was ignored. I simply was hoping for support for this camera that's been out for many months now without raw support in Aperture.

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mdopp

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May 12, 2009 9:05 PM in response to igrok-mac

For me it seems there has been no added RAW support in 10.5.7 so far.

Previously Apple's support page said:

+Supported by Digital Camera Raw Compatibility Update 2.5+
+Nikon D3X+
+Epson R-D1x+

+Supported by Digital Camera Raw Compatibility Update 2.4+
+Canon EOS 5D Mark II+
+Canon PowerShot G10+
+Pentax K2000/K-m+
+Leaf AFi-II 6+
+Leaf AFi-II 7+
+Leaf Aptus-II 6+
+Leaf Aptus-II 7+
+Leica M8.2+

+Supported by Digital Camera Raw Compatibility Update 2.3+
+Canon EOS 50D+
+Nikon Coolpix P6000+
+Nikon D90+
+Sony DSLR-A900+

Now they changed this to:

+Supported by Mac OS X 10.5.7+
+Canon EOS 5D Mark II+
+Canon EOS 50D+
+Canon PowerShot G10+
+Epson R-D1x+
+Pentax K2000/K-m+
+Leaf AFi-II 6+
+Leaf AFi-II 7+
+Leaf Aptus-II 6+
+Leaf Aptus-II 7+
+Leica M8.2+
+Nikon D3X+
+Nikon Coolpix P6000+
+Nikon D90+
+Sony DSLR-A900+

You can easily see there are exactly the same cameras listed for 10.5.7 as before for the three compatibility updates - nothing new.

And yes - I am also waiting (for the Panasonic G1).
If Adobe's Lightroom can do it - why can't Apple?

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Network 23

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May 12, 2009 10:19 PM in response to nerowolfe

nerowolfe wrote:
Perhaps Panasonic is not supplying Apple with the proper information? Vendors supply Apple with drivers/documentation and Apple, if possible, adds it to the system. It's not other way around. Perhaps you should call Panasonic and ask them if they have provided Apple with the information?

Do you have any proof or documentation of this? Most of what I read says that except for a few rare situations, camera vendors do not release details of their proprietary raw formats and it is up to each raw converter team to reverse-engineer support, which is why you find that neither Apple nor Adobe rarely has support ready the day a given camera comes out, and sometimes not for weeks later until the reverse engineering is verified. Most camera vendors seem to prefer that you use their own converter software (not Apple's or Adobe's), especially when they charge for it.

Some camera vendors have provided black-box SDKs that don't really let you into the raw format, so most of the real raw converter teams don't bother using it.

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May 12, 2009 10:21 PM in response to Harry

If you want Panasonic to support the Mac then write to their customer service and tell them.

Thanks Harry. I sent feedback to Panasonic today. I'll post their reply when I receive it.

I purchased the FZ28 last October thinking by February Apple would include it in their RAW compatibility list. I just wish Apple would provide clearer guidance/information to users (Photoshop or Aperture) why certain popular cameras (FZ28 is quite a popular one) are not on the compatibility list. And so it goes....

Message was edited by: Hawaiian_Starman

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Network 23

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May 13, 2009 12:58 AM in response to Hawaiian_Starman

Hawaiian_Starman wrote:
I just wish Apple would provide clearer guidance/information to users (Photoshop or Aperture) why certain popular cameras (FZ28 is quite a popular one) are not on the compatibility list. And so it goes....

You can't lump Photoshop and Aperture together. Apple can't give guidance on Photoshop, they don't make that product. To determine Photoshop's support you have to look at the supported cameras page for Adobe Camera Raw, and on that page, the FZ28 is already supported if you downloaded the latest version. So Photoshop can handle the FZ28 right now.

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May 13, 2009 1:09 AM in response to Network 23

You can't lump Photoshop and Aperture together.

LOL. I know that...fast fingers typed Photoshop...slow brain thought "iPhoto". 😉

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Network 23

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May 13, 2009 1:43 AM in response to Hawaiian_Starman

oh, ok 🙂

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pl_svn

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May 13, 2009 2:12 PM in response to igrok-mac

igrok-mac: the D-Lux 4 (and Panasonic LX3) raws are pretty tought beast (containing also information on how to correct lens distortions) that no one still knows how to handle (a true conversion to dng is, in fact, still impossible) given... the usual silence coming from those cameras manufacturers (all this has been widely discussed on LightRoom's forum, with some insights coming from LR developers)

Nonetheless... LightRoom came, "only" two or three months after those cameras were released, to an "ad interim" solution and, seeing how Apple, instead, does not care at all... I'm so glad I choosed (long before this isuue arised and for many other reasons) LightRoom over Aperture!

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