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May 30, 2009 7:05 AM in response to mr.extremby John Buehler,You are right, it takes two passes, a stereo recording of the sweep into the left input and out of the 2 outputs, and then again for the right. It is essentially a 4-track recording. This is the correct way to do it. -
May 30, 2009 7:52 AM in response to mr.extremby John Buehler,By the way, I've done quite a bit of Lexicon units, and it is very important that you turn off the ubiquitous chorusing that is in most Lex verbs. Chorus ruins the sweep. Best to turn it off, and then use the Modulation delay in Logic to recreate the chorusing. -
May 31, 2009 2:33 PM in response to John Buehlerby mr.extrem,Hi John thanks for the answer...
Actually i thought the choruses in the lexicons are nested deep in the algorithms and thats not possible to turn off the chorus ore other modulation-effekts.
And because of this choruses nested most in the algoritm it is very hard to imitate this with patching a chorus just post ore pre to the space designer. I think it's quite impossible this way.... I tried this out, and what came out sounded just ****.
But when you know more about this, please let me know..
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May 31, 2009 3:00 PM in response to John Buehlerby Pancenter,John Buehler wrote:
You are right, it takes two passes, a stereo recording of the sweep into the left input and out of the 2 outputs, and then again for the right. It is essentially a 4-track recording. This is the correct way to do it.
I would also take an impulse response of Mono in Stereo out as the Lexicon internal stereo simulation can often be quite dramatic when used with voice, brass or woodwinds.
Oops. nevermind, of course you will have that, and more.
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May 31, 2009 3:01 PM in response to mr.extremby John Buehler,I've never had trouble turning off the chorus on any Lexicon, but I haven't done a 96 yet. I can't imagine it's difficult. The chorus is always post reverb when I do it, meaning the chorus is applied to the output of Space Designer, not the input. The chorus is very subtle, like 1-2%, and it gives it a little more depth and variation to the reverb, and to my ear it makes the reverb sound much more like a Lexicon. But you can easily over-do it, and there a lots of chorus effects that sound like garbage to me. The chorus in a Lex verb is very pure and clean. I have also simulated the early-reflection type multi-tap delay signal that exists so prevalently in the input of the PCM-70, 80 and 90, and with enough effort you can get quite close. It's just a lot of work. -
Jun 12, 2009 11:50 AM in response to mr.extremby mr.extrem,So i made some ir's of the pcm96...
A few are not bad, does mean it sounds almost as the original algorithm. But the are many who sounds very worse. For example the "Random Hall" algorithm, where much stereo modulation is happen, the IR of it sounds like mono. I don't know what's exctly the reason, but these ones are not possible to sample and use in your convolution reverb. -
Jun 12, 2009 12:06 PM in response to mr.extremby John Buehler,It seems likely that a reverb like random hall could not be done using the true stereo method because it requires 2 passes, and because it's random, left and right aren't working together. I would try a regular stereo capture instead. -
Jun 14, 2009 2:19 PM in response to John Buehlerby mr.extrem,Also tried a monoIn- to stereo Out IR. But its even worse. I think there are modulations in this algorithm where not can be reproduced by convolution technik.
That's maybe the reason why this Hardware peaces are still very popular in many studios
And its very living. Each snare drum sounds diffrent...