Can the score editor be forced to display exactly what the PianoRoll shows?

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Can the score editor be forced to display exactly what the PianoRoll shows?

Because apple won't allow import in xml format from 3rd party software I am forced to use the stone-age MIDI format. I can see in the piano roll that the notes are there, how can I trick the score editor into displaying what's there, instead of its' own crazy idea of what the composition looks like,if there is one instance of any kind of triplet on any page of the composition, the score decides to reformat everything in it to groups of 3-insane behavior.

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Posted on Jun 1, 2009 2:52 AM

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GerrySA

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Jun 2, 2009 2:27 PM in response to 55plus

Logic will use it's own crazy idea of what the composition looks like until you give it explicit information about which crazy idea of the composition you'd like to see instead. There are lots of ways to address what might be considered automatic or default approaches to score-display. Not surprisingly people have many ideas about what "crazy" means.

I recently bought a folio of sheet music in which there are any number of tunes that are presented as multi-bars of triplets that should actually be two dotted be two dotted quarters and an eighth note. Depending on how sloppy a player is and what he/she intends to present, it could be difficult for a machine to project intent.

Nevertheless any program's conversion of midi to score will likely encounter some differences in desired results.

Do you have the raw midi output somewhere I could take a look at, just for grins?

-- Gerry

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55plus Author

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Jun 4, 2009 5:13 AM in response to GerrySA

Thanks Gerry for the reply, I have been trying to get some raw midi data to send you but it's turning out to be very complicated-logical in other words. Getting MIDI scores to real music scores can be done, but not with Logic, Cubase can translate an xml score perfectly. I will try to get some midi to you ASAP, Thanks again for helping.

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GerrySA

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Jun 4, 2009 5:34 PM in response to 55plus

I'm in no rush, it's a matter of curiosity for me. Additionally, no matter what I find, I might well not know what it is you intended to see in a final score.

If understand what you've said about xml and Cubase: You have a score the way you want it and you'd like to get that score into Logic. Logic won't take xml (which would produce a "description" if you will of the visual score) and so you are forced to first produce another intermediate format: midi.

In order to understand what Logic scoring would be optimum, then, it would be necessary for me to see a pdf (or similar) as well as the midi.

Remember! I am no expert, just a fellow traveler! 🙂

-- Gerry

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55plus Author

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Jun 5, 2009 12:42 AM in response to GerrySA

Thanks for the interest Gerry, I do have a sample of what happend when I imported the MIDI file from SmartScoreX-I was pleasantly surprised when I plated this MIDI file that the first 8 bars had the correct MIDI messages-the rest of the piece is badly damaged in the sound as well as the picture,it's here:
http://www.skitch.com/john-davidmings/b1dgp/good
That Link may not get parsed and you may have to type it in the browser,sorry.
What I would expect to find in the score editor is the original in editable version, sorry that sample does not contain the scanned version, but it is 99.99% the same, just 3 16th rests and one misread clef change from tenor to bass. If I was being paid by someone to do this I would just change the length of all notes using transform, but transform doesn't work in the score so I would pray that it worked in the midi editor and double the length of all notes, every bar would have to become two bars and I don't know if transform can do something so simple.
I want to say thanks to the great Apple Team for allowing such heresy on their forum, and sending me notices of replies,really well done people!

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55plus Author

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Aug 24, 2009 12:17 AM in response to 55plus

It seems that the intention is that the score does not show the same events as the piano roll or event list, the score is much easier to use when you have T. Prischl's Logic Notation Guide from 1997, but even that won't replace XML.

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