Xserve Raid not appearing in Raid Admin

After three years of faultless work, my Xserve raid is showing a red led on one of the drives. I opened Raid Admin, but for whatever reason, it has lost the connection to the raid. The Raid is still showing on my desktop and i can still access data, but i cannot open it in Admin to check whats the problem.

I do not know what the ip address of the raid controllers are...any ideas how i can find out the ip addresses??

thanks
Adam

MacPro/Quad G5/ Dual G5/ 17" MBP, Mac OS X (10.5.6)

Posted on Jun 2, 2009 8:46 AM

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Jun 2, 2009 10:55 AM in response to adam taylor1

You can ping the network then guess. You can check your DHCP server and determine the address by matching the MAC address of the controller. You can reset the controller on the XRaid (do that after unmounting the volume). You can try to simply Add a new Raid to Raid Admin (as your address may have changed if it is configured via DHCP).

The red drive is probably a failed drive. If you have raid 5 with spare, then the spare should be rebuilding. If you have raid 5 and no spare, then order a replacement and replace the dead drive.

Hope this helps.

Jun 2, 2009 4:29 PM in response to adam taylor1

Ping your network to talk to all devices on the subnet. For example, if you have a network of 192.168.0.0/24 (192.168.0.1 - 192.168.0.154 usable) then you can ping the broadcast address of 192.168.0.255. All devices, unless defined to not respond to broadcast ping will return a response. As for the MAC address, you need a flashlight, good eyes, and the ability to see the rear of the unit. The MAC address is printed on labels on the rear of the case behind the power supplies. With the MAC address, you can reference your DHCP server and find the address. If the system has static addresses, then you will not see it listed in your dhcp server.

Hope this helps.

Jun 4, 2009 1:53 AM in response to Strontium90

thanks again, although that all sounds like gibberish to a non- network chap like me.

The problem i have is that, yes I can ping the network and get back a range of responses, but i have a feeling the ip address on the Xserve is in a different range.

I can get the MAC numbers but i am also confident the ip addresses are static.
I'm really stumped how to resolve this (apologies if you have given the answer and i have failed to understand it!)

rgds
Adam

Jun 4, 2009 3:03 AM in response to adam taylor1

bit closer and yet bit more confused!!

After unmounting the raid from the host desktop, I connected my laptop directly to the raid controller and ran Raid Admin - It worked fine...I made a note of the ethernet id's and also checked into the problem drive.

All the error message said was drive failed to respond, and failed to respond after reset. Clicking the drive icon simply says drive not installed. I assume this means the drive needs replacing?

Back on the host machine, The raid will no longer remount, and one of the two arrays (i use a mirrored raid 5 across all 14 drives) has red coloured text saying RAID SLICE.

After reading the manuals, i still don't know what this is, but i'm a little concerned because it seems to suggest that all the data may be lost! I thought the point of raid was to prevent data loss.

any suggestions how to proceed?

thanks
Adam

Jun 4, 2009 6:01 AM in response to adam taylor1

Ok, so let's start with the basics.

Ethernet is needed only to manage the Raid.
Fibre channel is how the volume is mounted on the host.
Lack of connection via ethernet will not prevent volume mounting.
RAID is only a hardware redundancy and problems can still occur.
There are many levels of RAID, each with its own level of redundancy (from none to high)
You do have a backup, correct?

So, why can the server host not see the management connection (ethernet) of the RAID? There are a number of possible causes. Your switch might have a VLAN configured. Your Raid may be on a different subnet than the host (What is the IP address of the host? What is the IP address of the RAID?). Regardless of the cause, the fact that you can connect using your laptop means that you can manage the unit and identify the problems. So, do this. Connect to the RAID for management (over ethernet) and determine the type of RAID that you are looking at. Is it a RAID 1, 2, or 5?

Next, go back to your host system. Open System Profiler. Click on the Fibre Channel section. Can you see the RAID? If yes, then open Disk Utility. Can you see the physical device and the volume? If the volume is not mounted, can you mount it by clicking the mount button. Do you get an error? If so, can you repair the volume using Disk Utility?

Hope his helps

Jun 4, 2009 6:38 AM in response to Strontium90

Thanks for the help Strontium, appreciate it.

right - its a Raid 5 and both sides of the unit hold 7 x 250gb drives, which are all mirrored into one big raid.
I do have the drive backed up (LTO3 tape library)

Yes - i can see it in System Profiler (fibre channel)

I can see the raid in Disk Utility, but cannot apply first aid - it remains grayed out. Both halves of the raid show up separately in Disk Utility, both are labelled RAID Slice (one is grey and the other is red). Before i dismounted them neither had that name or colour.

I am ordering new drives and will replace them asap. I have a feeling i might need to completely reformat the raid and start again.

rgds
Adam

Jun 4, 2009 8:42 AM in response to adam taylor1

Ok, just confirming. The left channel is a RAID 5. The right channel is a RAID 5. Then you are using Disk Utility to mirror the data across the channels. This is a software mirror. If this is the case, then you "should not" have lost your data. First, the RAID 5 provides one of the highest levels of drive level redundancy. A RAID 5 with no spare can suffer the loss of a single drive and still be valid. Based on your description, you have this on both sides of the XRaid. This means that you can drop a drive on each side of the case concurrently and still be ok. But, on top of that, you are saying that you have a software mirror. If this is the case, then the data on the left side is the same as the data on the right side. If either underlying raid 5 was to die or go offline, the mirror should degrade but data access should be fine.

The way you are describing this, I fear that the software raid is a stripe, not a mirror. Do this to determine:

1: Open Terminal
2: Type:
diskutil checkRaid
3: What is the result you get back?

Hope this helps

Jun 4, 2009 8:50 AM in response to Strontium90

correct -

have just done the `terminal as suggested and it is showing as Stripe and Offline...which is really odd because i am almost 100% positive that the drives were mirrored before i dismounted them.

the two channels of drives are showing as one failed and one online.

And you are correct - the raid did degrade but was still working. Raid Admin actually used the word degraded on the left controller, and OK on the right. But now i cannot remount, and this Slice word has replaced the names on both sides.

Jun 4, 2009 10:08 AM in response to adam taylor1

Ok, the prognosis is getting grimmer. However, there is a chance that your data is still there. Recall, you have RAID 5 as the underlying format and in theory, the loss of one drive in a RAID 5 will not destroy the volume. Try this:

1: Shut down the Xserve
2: Make sure both fibre channel cables are plugged into the Xserve
3: Using the Raid Admin tool, connect to the XRAID and reboot the unit, effectively reseting both controllers.
4: Wait for the unit to complete it reboot process (you may get an audible alarm since you have a failed drive)
5: Start the Xserve
6: Cross your fingers and maybe the volume will come back up.

Hope this helps. The use of a stripe is a fearful prospect. I understand for certain deployment scenarios like video ingest etc. However, it looks like someone was trying to make a single large volume and used the stripe as a solution.

Hope this helps

Jun 5, 2009 1:38 AM in response to Strontium90

I will try as you suggested...however, i won't be able to until next week now!

It could be the original installer striped the drives (it is used primarily for video editing) and in his dumbed down description for the interested amateur (me) he just described it as being mirrored.

As the data is backed up, I am not worried about having to re-format the entire Raid. When (and if) I do - what is the best way to configure the set-up for video work and retain the Raid 5?

Jun 5, 2009 5:59 AM in response to adam taylor1

adam taylor1 wrote:
As the data is backed up, I am not worried about having to re-format the entire Raid. When (and if) I do - what is the best way to configure the set-up for video work and retain the Raid 5?


That is a loaded question 🙂 It all depends on a nearly infinite number of details. What type of video are you shooting in? DV, HD compresses or uncompressed, etc. How is the storage used in your workflow? Ingest, editing, play out. How many people are connected to it and how do they connect? Is this direct connect? Is it a reshare over AFP? Are only project files kept there and all ingest/cutting is done on the workstation? And those are just the tip of the iceberg.

Here are some basic suggestions. RAID 5 is the best format for relative safety of your data. However, the nature of the XRaid design is that you end up with two independent volumes. So say you have 14 500 GB drives. This is 7 TB of raw storage. Doing a Raid 5 on each side, no spare, will yield 3 TB (about 2.7 TB formated). On top of those formats, the unit can be software raided into a raid 50 (two raid 5s striped) or 51 (two raid 5s mirrored). These are tenuous as you've discovered. The later is wasteful as you throw 7 TB of raw storage at a volume that yield 2.7 TB of usable space. In high availability/redundancy situations this makes sense. But the amount of data that needs that level of protection is probably pretty small. The other option, which is what I guess happened to you, is taking the two raid 5s and striping them together. The only benefit here is that you get what appears to be a single volume spanned across the two controllers. There is a perceived speed benefit here and since you mentioned video workflow, that may explain the decision. However, unless you are doing ingest, this formating likely makes no sense.

Hope this helps

Jun 10, 2009 1:47 AM in response to Strontium90

what a relief!

I don't know why i got so worried...i just reloaded a new drive into the module, slotted it into the drive slot and it automatically starts to rebuild.

You were correct Strontium - the drives are striped, probably because originally i did use that Xserve Raid for ingesting uncompressed 10 bit video. However, its now being used more for archiving, as i have a much larger and faster 12tb raid as the main workhorse.

Thanks for your help and explanations....made a lot of sense to me.

regards
Adam

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