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Q: 13" MBP SATA interface downgraded to 1.5 Gigabit

I just checked my system information and the sata connection is reporting 1.5 Gigabit as the speed. I discovered this when I benchmarked my Vertex 60GB SSD and noticed that the speeds were a lot slower than before (I used to have a 15" umbp). Did apple downgrade the sata connection? This is a huge disappointment and very surprising.

13" MBP 2.2GHz, Mac OS X (10.5.7)

Posted on Jun 12, 2009 11:40 AM

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Q: 13" MBP SATA interface downgraded to 1.5 Gigabit

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  • by teb,

    teb teb Jun 14, 2009 4:49 PM in response to maxbaillargeon
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    Jun 14, 2009 4:49 PM in response to maxbaillargeon
    I've seen other people having problems. I bought the X25M drive and simply used Carbon Copy Cloner to copy the contents from the original drive to the new drive. Then I booted off the new drive to test. Finally, I swapped drives.
  • by winterspan,

    winterspan winterspan Jun 15, 2009 1:39 AM in response to zhangy
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    Jun 15, 2009 1:39 AM in response to zhangy
    It's worse than that... You don't even get 150MB/sec because of overhead and other advances made with SATA II.

    Check out these benchmarks for an OCZ Vertex 128GB SSD drive from Macrumors.com



    Test: Sequential File Read and Write Throughput
    App: HD Tune Pro 3.50
    Drive: OCZ Vertex 128GB (MLC)

    SATA II: 13" MBA, 13" MB, 17" MBP (and old versions of 13"/15" MBP)

    Sequential READ = 225 MB/sec
    Sequential WRITE = 180 MB/sec

    SATA I: new 13" MBP, 15" MBP

    Sequential READ = 115 MB/sec
    Sequential WRITE = 95 MB/sec


    The speedup from the SSD's fast random access will still be felt, making the user interface and applications snappier.
    [COLOR="Blue"]However, the SATA I/SATA150 in the new 13"/15" MB Pro will cause an enormous performance degradation when copying large files or transferring large files to and from external drives --- on the order of losing >50% of your throughput![/COLOR]
  • by cabbitbunny,

    cabbitbunny cabbitbunny Jun 15, 2009 4:14 AM in response to maxbaillargeon
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    Jun 15, 2009 4:14 AM in response to maxbaillargeon
    I have two OCZ vertex, I think when u installing it ..u shouldn't valdiate the DVD
    just skip the valdiation and go straight into installation and u shouldn't have any problems

    Also i did update the firmware to 1.3 and been working fine.

    I did get spinning beachball once....and have not happened to me since i removed istat
  • by The Brew,

    The Brew The Brew Jun 15, 2009 6:20 AM in response to cabbitbunny
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    Jun 15, 2009 6:20 AM in response to cabbitbunny
    What MacBook are you running your Vertex SSD on?
  • by The Brew,

    The Brew The Brew Jun 15, 2009 6:25 AM in response to The Brew
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    Jun 15, 2009 6:25 AM in response to The Brew
    Gaar.. oops, didn't see your signature.. sorry.

    So you're saying that you have a Vertex FW 1.3 in your MBP 13" and you have only had a beachball once..? For how long have you been using these together?

    I was certain it was a problem on -all- MBP 13" :/
  • by aaanorton,

    aaanorton aaanorton Jun 15, 2009 9:42 AM in response to le.john.33
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    Jun 15, 2009 9:42 AM in response to le.john.33
    Wow. With SATA I and no ExpressCard slot, I really don't see how this can be branded as a Pro machine. This leave the 17" as the only pro option.

    *PLEASE voice your concern over this downgrade:*
    http://www.apple.com/feedback/macbookpro.html

    Edited for Feedback link.
  • by cabbitbunny,

    cabbitbunny cabbitbunny Jun 15, 2009 9:56 AM in response to The Brew
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    Jun 15, 2009 9:56 AM in response to The Brew
    Well, i can't speak for the older macbook..as i bought it for 4 days and new MBP come out so i sold that and get the new 13" MBP

    using it since last Thursday, but i guess i'm not in OSX often enough
    so i will try to stay on OSX for 1 week without turning it off and see how it goes. I removed istat....the one time i had it was with istat installed
    so see how i without it installed.
  • by Richard Roberts,

    Richard Roberts Richard Roberts Jun 15, 2009 11:21 AM in response to timborama
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    Jun 15, 2009 11:21 AM in response to timborama
    Woo Hoo!

    I was really miffed that my 13" MB, purchased in Feb., would be burden me with severe buyer's remorse -- compounded by a low resale value.

    Now... maybe not so much. 
  • by krypttic,

    krypttic krypttic Jun 15, 2009 12:04 PM in response to Richard Roberts
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    Jun 15, 2009 12:04 PM in response to Richard Roberts
    This is slowly making the rounds on news sites:

    http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/15/new-macbook-pros-shipped-with-hdds-only-have- 1-5gbps-sata-chips/
    http://www.9to5mac.com/macbook-pro-2009-sata-3.0-1.5-SSD
    http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=720024

    Engadget claims that any CTO machines shipped with an Apple-installed SSD have the full 3.0 speed enabled, while those that ship with standard hard drives are capped at 1.5. Many users (like myself) choose to install hard drives ourselves because Apple charges way too much. Is this a ploy by Apple to prevent users from upgrading themselves? If so, I find it disgusting.
  • by teb,

    teb teb Jun 15, 2009 12:11 PM in response to krypttic
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    Jun 15, 2009 12:11 PM in response to krypttic
    I've read most of the threads on the different sites on this topic. There was only one real BTO with SSD confirmed and it was at running at 1.5
  • by krypttic,

    krypttic krypttic Jun 15, 2009 12:13 PM in response to teb
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    Jun 15, 2009 12:13 PM in response to teb
    Anybody contacted Apple directly (someone higher up than a standard CS rep) and asked about a firmware or software fix?
  • by revman,

    revman revman Jun 15, 2009 3:28 PM in response to le.john.33
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    Jun 15, 2009 3:28 PM in response to le.john.33
    I just bought the New MacBook Pro 15" 2.8 Ghz 4Gig Ram and 500 Gig drive and it's also saying Serial-ATA 1.5 Gigabits, so the issues is not only with the 13"

    I actually just added a Corsair 256Gig SSD and it's runing slower then My Old MacBook Unibody Early 2009 with Corsair 128 Gig.

    I have to say the LCD monitor seems to be inferior too. Looks like the density of the pixel are less. I can see the pixels, and it's driving crazy.

    I am very disapointed as well.
  • by Vanster,

    Vanster Vanster Jun 15, 2009 4:03 PM in response to le.john.33
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    Jun 15, 2009 4:03 PM in response to le.john.33
    I gotta tell ya I was worried when they announced the new tech but as soon as I realized there was an SD slot and no Express Card 3/4, I knew regardles of the cpu speed this little baby was better and now this!

    Unbelievable - the company known for it's forward design philosophy instead took one problem - no FW on 13 MB - and instead of fixing just that, downgraded almost their entire line for what - 2-3 extra hours of battery time?

    You've lost so much though - the ability to swap batteries yourself, to change your own hard drive - insanely simple with my model, and lost expandability. My first USB 3.0 purchase will be an ExpressCard adapter - need I say more?

    And my Serial ATA clearly says 3 Gigabits.
  • by roybotnik,

    roybotnik roybotnik Jun 15, 2009 4:19 PM in response to le.john.33
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    Jun 15, 2009 4:19 PM in response to le.john.33
    I just purchased a 13" mbp and I have the dreaded 1.5gbps SATA. I was already contemplating returning this computer because the screen just plain ***** compared to my old macbook air's screen. After hearing about this, I will be returning it after all. Thanks for nothing Apple!
  • by OnLnAgent,

    OnLnAgent OnLnAgent Jun 15, 2009 4:42 PM in response to roybotnik
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    Jun 15, 2009 4:42 PM in response to roybotnik
    I too have a new MBP 15 inch and profiler is showing 1.5 Gigabit. I was someone in the thread say that this is only if you did not order the SSD. Has anyone got a answer on what is going on? I would of gladly payed full price not to loose the express card and possibly a step back from sata II the logical step should of been to goto sata III. I feel like I just bought a rebranded macbook.
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