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  • tmartine Level 3 Level 3 (965 points)
    yeah but what are the odds that the boys over at motorola choose the same code for play over bluetooth that apple chose for the control interface for their corded headset? how does the iPod understand when it receives that play command over bluetooth that it should initiate as if it came from the control interface of corded headphones.. it either has to be custom implemented or the iPod can understand one AVCTP command... we know for sure that the S9 is sending the AVCTP command when play/pause is pressed so the iPod one way or another must understand that command either but custom implementation or by a partial implementation of AVCTP
  • Undeguy Level 1 Level 1 (15 points)
    Well, whether or not the hardware is completely incompatible with headsets, I have no idea.

    It is more likely that the bluetooth hardware is capable. But the software is either disabled or hasn't been written to take care of it.

    I think there will be future support for "plain" headsets... but personally, they don't sound as good as stereo headphones. for example, i've tried using platronics voyager 510, motorola 300, 350, 500, HT820 and the S9-HD with my computers to route audio to them... only the HT820 and S9-HD have the Stereo Bluetooth profile. The two with stereo sound pretty good (even to a guy with one-sided deafness)... but the rest sound incredibly tinny. Now, IF you route audio to the two with stereo through it's "headset" profile instead of the stereo profile, it'll ALSO sound tinny.

    So... if you look at another -possible- perspective... maybe they didn't implement it because they didn't want people to hear the ipod music with tinny headsets and blame Apple for the tinny sound. I doubt that's the reason... Like I said, I think it's just they had a hard enough time getting bluetooth to work, that the headsets will come later, if/when they get the bugs out.
  • Gugmi01 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    Alright well that helps alot thanks. It still doesn't make sense to me why apple wouldn't work out those bugs before the release, this was one of the biggest features at least I know I was looking forward to in this update. Well hopefully somone in apple is reading this and realizes that this is something vital for it's consumers tinny sound or not, especially the mic part but we'll see. It's sounds more like a new way for them to make money. Before you know it they will probably release special blue tooth headphones with a mic by apple made esspecially for the touch!

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  • tmartine Level 3 Level 3 (965 points)
    yeah, but i'm listening to my mac right now through my motorola s9's. through the bluetooth settings you can choose to use it as a headset or headphones... if you choose headset you get sound out of one speaker that sounds like crap as you describe, but if you choose headphones you get good quality stereo sound... so it's not as if the guys over at apple don't know how to implement this.. they've already done it once on another version of OS X... so what's their problem with the implementation on iPhone OS 3.0? and with with the OS X i can use next/previous buttons.. they obviously know how to do this..

    maybe they want to do something custom so you don't have to choose between headset and headphone modes?
  • tmartine Level 3 Level 3 (965 points)
    yeah, but i'm listening to my mac right now through my motorola s9's. through the bluetooth settings you can choose to use it as a headset or headphones... if you choose headset you get sound out of one speaker that sounds like crap as you describe, but if you choose headphones you get good quality stereo sound... so it's not as if the guys over at apple don't know how to implement this.. they've already done it once on another version of OS X... so what's their problem with the implementation on iPhone OS 3.0? and with with the OS X i can use next/previous buttons.. they obviously know how to do this..

    maybe they want to do something custom so you don't have to choose between headset and headphone modes?
  • tmartine Level 3 Level 3 (965 points)
    dup...

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  • Darren Wen Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    While plug in my iPod Touch, On my iTunes stated "Your iPod software is up to date. iTunes will automatically check for an update again on 6/26/2009"

    Is everyone iTunes stated the same date? will the next update fixed these issue?
    Hope so...
  • Undeguy Level 1 Level 1 (15 points)
    Gugmi01 wrote:
    It still doesn't make sense to me why apple wouldn't work out those bugs before the release,


    The promised Bluetooth, that you could hear through headphones with A2DP, and that you could use the pause/play button. So, technically, the delivered what they promised, they just didn't promise much.

    Man, on a side note, I had a WHOLE response typed up for tmartine... just as the site crashed... so apparently, Apple is having trouble in more than one area.

    The jist of it is... there is a way to get playback triggered in the same way that it gets stopped automatically. the ipod uses the play button as a signal to connect, so in the same way that a wired headphone is plugged/unplugged, the ipod treats the connect and disconnect signal for play and stop. the only thing you can't do with the wired plug is... plug it in again, with out unplugging it first. But you can send a connect signal while you're still connected.

    Anyway, that's an assumption on my part on how it might work, but suffice it to say, I just think that Apply is just plain having trouble implementing it.
  • iDeer Level 1 Level 1 (45 points)
    I think they are talking about the mic in the BT headset. Audio streaming should work. But not sure which headsets are compatible. Only if apple published a list!
  • Gugmi01 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    Yeah I see what you mean, they've got to be booked with the new releases such as the new iPhone or the new macs. I still think there is somethin fishy goin on but I don't know. I'll wait for word from apple themself before I judge.
    And yeah I was talking mostly a about the mic issue but in either scenario they need to make some changes.
  • WorldWatcher Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    Hey guys.

    I just tested BT capabilities with Sony XPLODE in-dash car receiver (link for the product is below).

    http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=1055 &storeId=10151&langId=-1&productId=8198552921665755568

    Connection performed really poor, lots of delay and sound was very choppy and no controls available from receiver.

    I'm very, very disappointed here, hope that they are gonna fix this very soon, looks like a MAJOR issue to me
  • Gugmi01 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    Ya that seems to be the case with alot of the bt devices out their. I tried a few regular devices used for calling and it didn't even recognize it. We'll see what happens..
  • Steve-1029 Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)
    Please ADD me to the grumpy list . Plantronics 510 just nothing at all. The iPod with the $9.95 upgrade just discovers. . . . . I expressly asked the folks in the Los Gatos store if my Plantronics headset would work and they said Oh Yes ! Genius Bar - my foot !

    Am I correct that ONLY Stereo Headphones will work with this One-Way Bluetooth ?? anything with a Mike ( like my Plantronics ) and it will never get discovered ?

    I am an Apple newbie is there any way to file a bug with Apple ? Or do we just rant on forums and hope that someone notices. I wonder if those turkeys at AT&T are restricting the use of iPOD / Skype as an ATT Free "iPhone" ?

    --grumpy
  • Gugmi01 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    Well it's very possible that it has to do with somethin goin on in AT&T, that was one of my suspicions in the first place. It could also be that they just didn't think of it or try too hard in this area another possibility, like we were discussing before, is that apple knows about it and are currently working on a fix. But there is no way of truly knowing, I've heard of a couple people emailing both skype and apple on the issue and I haven't heard from those people since so I'm not sure if they replied or not. But hopefully apple is paying attention to their own forum and realize by now how much of an importance this really is.
  • GregorS Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    I have a Philips Bluetooth-Stereo-Headset SHB6110 with A2DP. It connect to the Ipod but don't work. I tested it with my carradio Sony MEX-BT2600. It works, but the sound is terrible. With my mobilephones Sony-Ericson K800i or Samsung U900Soul the are no probs with my headset or radio. I hope apple will work on it.

    Gregor