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Aug 12, 2009 6:55 PMby fishbert,NBK2 wrote:
Hi
I just ordered a 17" Macbook Pro with a 7200rpm HDD. Do i have to look forward to this issue? Should i cancel the order?
I have been wanting a Mac since 2000!
Thanks
NBK
The thread you are looking for is here:
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2049659 -
Aug 12, 2009 9:11 PMby theARGIOPE,I do love a good cookie. They make great cookies where I work.
No conclusions here - just discussions... and cookies... I take coffee, though, haven't had milk straight up in 20+ years. =)
My brand new MBP took a full day of heavy production on the Patriot Torqx SSD... no beachballs, no weird behavior. This is a total 180 from what it was doing earlier this week, and still no explanation other than booting to the drive in my MacPro and running a Software Update on a fresh OSX installation.
Can't think of any technical reason why that would have any impact. Nonetheless... happy for now. -
Aug 12, 2009 9:21 PMby theARGIOPE,Hey JoeyR - regarding the slower speed of the "Mac edition" of OCZ's drives, this article from a couple months ago states that OSX can't currently handle the speed of some SSDs.
http://www.macsimumnews.com/index.php/archive/macosgmacos_x_is_having_trouble_handling_ssd_hard_drivespeeds -
Aug 13, 2009 12:50 AMby TBastiani,Does this mean that the issue will be solved by turning off journaling of HFS+?
That's a bit reckless anyway. If the system crashes it's possible that it won't reboot if journaling is turned off, right?
I still don't get it. Why would journaling have anything to do with the speed issue?
And if snow Leopard doesn't fix this "journaling" issue, then when will it be fixed.
Furthermore, can we trust macsimumnews.com? Are they serious, or are they just linking to completely unrelated problems? -
Aug 13, 2009 1:50 AMby fishbert,TBastiani wrote:
theARGIOPE wrote:
Hey JoeyR - regarding the slower speed of the "Mac edition" of OCZ's drives, this article from a couple months ago states that OSX can't currently handle the speed of some SSDs.
http://www.macsimumnews.com/index.php/archive/macosgmacos_x_is_having_trouble_handling_ssd_hard_drivespeeds
Does this mean that the issue will be solved by turning off journaling of HFS+?
That's a bit reckless anyway. If the system crashes it's possible that it won't reboot if journaling is turned off, right?
I still don't get it. Why would journaling have anything to do with the speed issue?
And if snow Leopard doesn't fix this "journaling" issue, then when will it be fixed.
Furthermore, can we trust macsimumnews.com? Are they serious, or are they just linking to completely unrelated problems?
No, it doesn't. Journaling only has an overhead of 4-12% disk activity. The guy they quote from OCZ says the Apple driver will not saturate with only one drive.
But none of this matters anyway, as none of your questions have anything to do with the EFI version 1.7 firmware update and its interface issues. Perhaps a better place to ask would be the OCZ forums. -
Aug 13, 2009 8:05 AMby theARGIOPE,I haven't seen any, but there are probably some forums and other discussions out there on the issue. Ask Google.
It seems related to the firmware conflict, but only an engineer would be able to confirm that kind of detail.
The speed of hardware progress is just insane these days. Who would have thought that software would become a bottleneck for storage drives. Ha!
I just hope I'm still alive when the day comes that everything is instantaneous. =) -
Aug 13, 2009 10:30 AMby fishbert,fishbert wrote:
No, it doesn't. Journaling only has an overhead of 4-12% disk activity. The guy they quote from OCZ says the Apple driver will not saturate with only one drive.
But none of this matters anyway, as none of your questions have anything to do with the EFI version 1.7 firmware update and its interface issues. Perhaps a better place to ask would be the OCZ forums.iyacyas wrote:
That's an interesting article! Have you seen any others like it to support their claim as that would tie into this thread nicely!
Really? You get all bent out of shape because I "yelled" at you earlier (with my cut & paste) for not reading the thread... I try to reel this discussion back on topic... you immediately try to encourage more unrelated banter, throwing in "that would tie into this thread nicely!" when it clearly does not.
You're trying to hijack the thread because you've got a chip on your shoulder. But all you're really doing is muddying the waters for everyone else coming here looking for help with the EFI version 1.7 firmware update issue. Seems rather selfish of you.
Grow up. -
Aug 13, 2009 10:41 AMby theARGIOPE,{quote:title=fishbert wrote:}encourage more unrelated banter{quote}
He probably just figures a relationship between OSX having issues with high speed drives and the SATA 1/2 firmware hoopla (which started with complaints about i/o speed). They're seemingly related, but technically different... easy to confuse.
Smile, man, the weekend is almost here! -
Aug 13, 2009 2:50 PMby coolas,Ponzi wrote:
Let's take a time out and have some milk and cookies before we jump to too many conclusions. The MBPs are in stock at Amazon.
Ha you have assumed I am in US, I am in the UK! Amazon UK had sold out. Also I did not conclude anything, I asked other for there opinion on an idea. -
Aug 14, 2009 4:07 AMby Canadiandude,Plenty of people are still having problems which is why this thread is still active (unanswered). However, after going so long without any word from Apple about a solution, much of this thread's discussion has become a bit unfocussed. Then again, we still need to talk about what works and what doesn't. Occasionally we inadvertently go off-topic but we always manage to re-focus.
With that said, I will just say that I hope the upcoming click+beep firmware fix also fixes out issue (as was suggested by the Apple rep I contacted last week). Only speculation on his part, but it's a small flicker of hope. -
Aug 14, 2009 4:28 AMby iain_nl,So I had this issue with the 1.7 EFI firmware, where I had all "hickups" every 30-60 seconds. I already said that. I switched back to the stock hdd. Now, I've reinstalled my Intel X25M SSD and the installation went ok, started nice, very quickly, _as it should_. But the first reboot spoiled it. Now, although it doesn't hang as often as it did, it does more than before give me some speed. I have no clue why this is.
Something interesting I did notice: After rebooting the first time the notebook became incredible hot. This first reboot was necessary for the OSX update to 10.5.8. The hotness came from the near the esc-button. It couldn't boot at all. So I turned it off, let it cool down, and now the problems are less severe than before. Again, I don't know why.
