what is a bootable backup and do i need one? what are partitions good for?

hello,
please excuse my ignorance...
i just got a new lacie external firewire hard drive and it has some software which i was wandering if i have any use for... - SilverKeeper and LaCie Backup Software. i'm not sure if they can give me anything that time machine doesn't do better... SilverKeeper gives the option of cloning a bootable backup. i'm not exactly sure what's the advantage of this and in what case i may need it.
when i got my last computer i was able to transfer everything from the old computer, including applications, to the new one without having to find all the serial numbers and reinstall them. i thought that time machine will be able to do the same thing if i lose all the data on my computer. is that not so? is that what a bootable clone is for? or what is it for?...
my other question is what are the advantages of making partitions in my new drive (i understand i have to if i want a bootable backup, but is there any reason to partition otherwise?

thanks!
dannah

macbook 2.1 ; iMac 24" 3.06 GHz, Mac OS X (10.5.4), Intel Core 2 Duo 12"

Posted on Jun 24, 2009 5:15 AM

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Jun 24, 2009 5:32 AM in response to dndn

SilverKeeper gives the option of cloning a bootable backup. i'm not exactly sure what's the advantage of this and in what case i may need it.


A bootable backup is an exact copy of your hard drive's contents on another drive, that can be used for booting up the machine. The advantage of a bootable backup is that, in the event something bad happens to your internal drive, you can very quickly get up and running with the backup drive, and can copy that back to a replaced/fixed internal drive very quickly. Time Machine backups are not bootable.

The disadvantage of a clone of any kind, bootable or not, is that there's only one version of any particular file stored. So if a file gets damaged and then backed up, you're pretty well screwed with the clone, while Time Machine stores many versions of the file, so you just "roll back" to the last working copy.

when i got my last computer i was able to transfer everything from the old computer, including applications, to the new one without having to find all the serial numbers and reinstall them.


Bad idea... while this will work for most apps, different machines have different architectures, so some apps may not be installed correctly for the new machine, plus you may not have properly copied some components. You should have reinstalled them.

i thought that time machine will be able to do the same thing if i lose all the data on my computer. is that not so?


If you have Time Machine back up the entire hard drive, without excluding anything, then Time Machine should be able to restore your drive to exactly the way it was at any particular moment in time at which it made a backup, including apps, system files, preferences, etc.

my other question is what are the advantages of making partitions in my new drive (i understand i have to if i want a bootable backup, but is there any reason to partition otherwise?


You do not have to partition to make a bootable backup. However, you'll be using the entire drive... trying to store additional files on the same drive as a bootable clone is confusing at best. Using a partition allows you to create multiple "virtual" drives... say, one for a bootable backup, one for a Time Machine backup, one for movie files, etc. Of course, this is only advisable if the drive is much larger than the one you're backing up, and note that if you store original files on a partition (like a bunch of movie files), you need a backup of those somewhere else.

Time Machine will want it's own full drive or partition to play with, which should be larger than the drive being backed up, and will eventually fill it. A bootable clone probably also should go onto its own partition, but you wouldn't need to make this partition larger than the drive being cloned. Other than that, don't worry about partitioning unless you have a specific need.

Jun 24, 2009 6:45 AM in response to thomas_r.

thank you so much for your detailed answer. so if i understand you correctly, the bootable backup is not so much for restoring my computer software and data (that time machine can do that) -but more for the option to keep on working immediately in the event my computer crashes, or for booting my computer on someone else's computer?

Jun 24, 2009 6:59 AM in response to dndn

My thoughts on the matter...
A bootable clone has many good uses. Here are some off the top of my head...
1) In the event your internal drive crashes, you can either boot of the clone and keep working until your internal drive is fixed. Or you can take the external clone and put the drive into your computer replacing the bad one and it will boot up looking just like the original.
2) In the event that something happens to your internal drive that isn't a physical problem with the drive itself, you can always clone BACK your external to the internal to put it back the way it was the last time you cloned it.
3) If you want to upgrade the hard drive on your computer to a larger one, you can clone the internal drive to the new drive in an external enclosure, then swap the drives and your computer will now boot off the new drive looking just like it did before but with more space. I used this trick last time I upgraded the drive in my eMac.
4) As an administrator to a lab of Macs, you can create a master system on an external drive. As needed, you can plug the drive into Macs in your lab and boot from it and then restore the lab Macs back to a default configuration, useful if the Macs are often corrupted, people install stuff on them you don't want, etc.
5) Have a DIFFERENT OS version on the bootable clone than your internal in case you ever have a need to reboot the computer to a different operating system version or configuration. For example, you may have an application that you don't use a lot, but do need to continue using and it won't run on 10.5. So you can still update your computer to 10.5if you want, AFTER you clone your old 10.4 or 10.3 system to the external drive. When you need to run that older application, you can boot off the clone into your old system to do your work, then reboot off the external for normal use with the latest OS version.
Cheers,
Patrick

Jun 24, 2009 7:02 AM in response to dndn

dndn wrote:
is storing files on a partition less safe than storing them on an undivided external drive? or is this a general suggestion for backing up original files in more than one place?


Partitions are nothing more that different sections of the SAME hard drive. So if you had a drive partitioned into two parts so that it shows up as two drives on your desktop, it is still a single hard drive. If your hard drive physically fails, you lose BOTH partitions. So anything you copy from one partition to another is not a true backup with Physical HD issues.
You can reformat one partition if needed and then copy things back to the newly formatted partition from the other partition, so that is sort of a "soft" backup. But for true backing up of important files, you really need to do this on a physically different hard drive.
Patrick

Jun 24, 2009 7:23 AM in response to dndn

"if you store original files on a partition (like a bunch of movie files), you need a backup of those somewhere else."

is storing files on a partition less safe than storing them on an undivided external drive? or is this a general suggestion for backing up original files in more than one place?


Just a general suggestion. Many people tend to make the mistake that, if a file is stored in the backup (or on the backup drive), they don't need to have it anywhere else. Of course, then if something happens to the backup drive, there goes the only copy... and you can be assured that, sooner or later, something will happen to every drive.

Jun 24, 2009 7:27 AM in response to dndn

dndn wrote:
if i understand you correctly, the bootable backup is not so much for restoring my computer software and data (that time machine can do that) -but more for the option to keep on working immediately in the event my computer crashes


Both can restore your hard drive to the conditions at the last backup. The big differences: a bootable clone is bootable for quick and easy access in an emergency, a TM backup is not, and a TM backup can restore multiple different "versions" of your drive (from different times in the past), while a bootable clone only gives you one.

or for booting my computer on someone else's computer?


That will only work if it's exactly the same model. It won't even boot someone else's MacBook if it's from a different "generation" than yours.

Jun 24, 2009 7:30 AM in response to PT

PT wrote:
1) In the event your internal drive crashes, you can either boot of the clone and keep working until your internal drive is fixed.


Be very, very cautious with this one! If your internal hard drive dies, your backup drive becomes the only copy of everything. If you then start working from that backup drive, and something goes wrong there, you've now lost everything. You'll need to make sure you've got a backup of the backup before you start using it.

(It's safest if you have multiple redundant backups, with at least one stored off-site. I have three, with one stored in the safe deposit box at the bank.)

Jun 24, 2009 7:35 AM in response to PT

thanks you!
but in case all i need the backup for is to restore my drive data, including apps, system files, preferences, etc. - in this case time machine will do the job, right?
is it possible to boot the clone onto a less powerful computer than the one i have cloned? (obviously some of the applications won't work)

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