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Grant Symon Level 2 Level 2 (240 points)
Hi,

I've been reading a bit about this and it appears to be a major headache for many people. Added complexity always is.

I bought some app store games for my son to play on my iPhone. He now has his own iPod Touch and I have just set up his own AppleID with his own iTunes Store account, so that he can learn to take care of his own life.

How can I transfer his games, from my AppleID account, to his? Just to be clear ... I don't want to copy them ... I want to erase them from my account and transfer them to his.

MBPro, iPhone OS 3.0
  • varjak paw Level 10 Level 10 (169,830 points)
    Sorry, but you cannot transfer content from one iTunes Store account to another. You can move content from one iTunes library to another, so if he has his own login in Mac OS X on a family computer, or to another computer if he has his own computer, but that account/computer will have to be authorized to your iTunes Store account.
  • Grant Symon Level 2 Level 2 (240 points)
    Dave,

    thanks for the reply.

    I'm presumably doing something wrong, but, on my son's Mac, which I have authorised for my iTunes account, my apps don't show up. Neither do my music purchases. Terrific.

    I suspect that this may have to do with the purchases having been made from the UK store, which has suddenly stopped accepting my French credit card. Fab. So presumably, if I have to change computer, I lose all my purchased apps.?? I don't understand though, why they still show up on my own Mac.

    Whatever. This is just more proof that DRM doesn't work in any useful way. I bought my app and I should be able to sell it/give it to someone else if I wish. Even if it's a licence. I really wonder about the legality of all this. Even if it is legal, it shouldn't be.
  • Mike Johnson12 Level 5 Level 5 (6,395 points)
    Only the content d/l to that computer will show up. If your stuff is on your computer it will not show on your sons regardless. You can authorize your sons computer to play any DRM content.

    If you change your computer you should de-authorize the old one and transfer the iTunes library content to your new computer then authorize the new computer. You don't loss anything. Remember the content is stored on your computer and not the Apple servers - unless of course you have a Dot Mac account and us your iDisk for b/u purposes.

    If you want to give an item to another person then you would have to gift it - as noted you cannot transfer content to another person and remove it from your account. I am confident given the ability of major corporations and their legal departments that they have likely crossed and dotted the t's and i's about legality.

    MJ
  • Grant Symon Level 2 Level 2 (240 points)
    Hi Mike,

    My god this is so complicated.

    regardless. You can authorize your sons computer to play any DRM content.


    So, when you say 'authorise' it doesn't appear to mean quite what I'd expect.

    I plug my iPhone into his Mac, which is authorised for my Account, but I can't play any of my purchased music through his Mac. Neither can I see any of my purchased music in the iTunes store 'Purchased' folder. (Although, my purchase history does in fact show it when logged into his computer). At this point, the only thing that 'authorisation' appears to do, is allow me to use his Mac, as a terminal, for purchases. I doubt though, that they would then show up in iTunes on my Mac.

    Remember the content is stored on your computer and not the Apple servers - unless of course >you have a Dot Mac account and us your iDisk for b/u purposes.


    I have both of these things. But here, I'm guessing that you don't mean I can access it from someone else's Mac, but rather that is located on Apple's servers for backup purposes. Right?

    I am confident given the ability of major corporations and their legal departments that they have >likely crossed and dotted the t's and i's about legality.


    You are very trusting. The business world is choc full of contracts, which when questioned in court, don't hold water. Apple, like everyone else, have to eventually 'take a view' on how to deal with these things. But that doesn't mean that their final decision would stand up in the High-Court, or in Brussels. And anyway ... for many companies, it's worth the risk. For instance ... France Telecom have been successfully sued in the EU courts 3 times over the last 10 years, for all sorts of illegal business practices. Doesn't stop them re-offending though. Presumably because they've learned that crime pays. Microsoft appear to have had some trouble with that too.
  • Mike Johnson12 Level 5 Level 5 (6,395 points)
    With some digital d/l you are only given the right to use the file and you don't actually own it. This can apply to music, books, software, etc.

    If you have stuff on your iDisk you would access it via the iDisk interface not iTunes. You would have to bring the content back into iTunes via the iTunes interface. ie: drag the content back to your Desktop then add it into iTunes.

    The purchased content is specific to the computer that the files were purchased with. The 'Purchased' content is a special playlist - nothing more. Unless you are using an ext HD for your iTunes library and then moving the HD to another computer and opening that library on the ext HD you will not see the 'purchased' content.

    If you have DRM content on your sons Mac and the computer is authorized - use the iTunes>Store menu - his Mac should play the DRM content. If your iPhone is not set to 'manually manage music' then you would not be able to play the iPhone content on his Mac.

    Purchased history is not the same as the 'Purchased' that you see in the iTS section of iTunes. One is on the server and the other is on the computer. If you delete an item from the 'Purchased' list it will not be removed from your purchased history.

    If you purchase from his Mac then your stuff will not show up on your Mac's 'Purchased' UNLESS you add it to the 'Purchased list. You can drag what you want into the 'Purchased' list.

    MJ
  • varjak paw Level 10 Level 10 (169,830 points)
    , the only thing that 'authorisation' appears to do, is allow me to use his Mac, as a terminal, for purchases.

    No, that's not what authorization does. Authorization "unlocks" the copy protection on content purchased from the iTunes Store so it can be played on a given computer and synchronized to an iPod, iPhone or Apple TV. Give this a read:

    http://www.apple.com/support/itunes/musicstore/authorization/

    It appears that you don't understand how purchases from the iTunes Store work. When you purchase any content from the Store, be it an iPhone application, a music track, a video, or a movie, it is downloaded once only, to the computer through which you purchased it (some applications can be downloaded more than once without having to purchase them again, but this does not apply to music, videos or movies). If you then want that item on another computer, for whatever purpose, you have to copy the item to that computer yourself. Unless and until you do, it will not appear in iTunes and will not be able to be synchronized to any portable device. See:

    iTunes for Mac: How to copy purchases between authorized computers

    Note as well that you can only synchronize an iPhone to one iTunes library at a time. You cannot take the iPhone to another computer and add additional material. If you connect an iPhone to another computer, iTunes will ask if you want to synchronize and if you allow it will erase the content on the iPhone. So any content you want to put on the iPhone must be all on one computer.

    I hope this clarifies matters.
  • Grant Symon Level 2 Level 2 (240 points)
    Mike, Dave,

    thanks for the replies/clarification.

    So I went ahead and merged my iTunes library, with my sons ... a fairly laborious process, but it worked fine in the end.

    Now on his Mac he has his music and of course, the all important apps. I authorised his computer for my iTunes account and the apps show up in his library. BUT!!! I can't sync them with his iPod. So I spent rather a long time achieving absolutely nothing.

    Now it is patently clear to me that AppStore purchases are tied to a specific device or perhaps contract. You cannot apparently use them on more than one device. This begs the question; what if I change devices? Maybe I'll swap my iPhone for a Blackberry (god forbid) and want to keep my apps on my iPod Touch. Is this not allowed?? Do I have to re-purchase them?
  • Mike Johnson12 Level 5 Level 5 (6,395 points)
    You can sync multiple devices to one library. I have both devices set to manually manage music/video. I think the key is to set to manually manage .....

    To prevent a sync when plugging in the iPod - hold down the 'option' and the 'command' keys when plugging in the ipod - key the keys down until the iPod is listed under the Devices list in iTunes - this will prevent a sync from taking place and you will be able to change your settings.

    MJ
  • kcmc20 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    OMG! Could this be more confusing or complicated? I thought Macs were supposed to be easy. I'm in the market for a new Mac and I have 3 different iPods and am dreading this whole transfer thing.
  • Chris CA Level 9 Level 9 (77,695 points)
    Now it is patently clear to me that AppStore purchases are tied to a specific device or perhaps contract.

    This is incorrect.
    You cannot apparently use them on more than one device.

    Yes, very easily.
    Plug in his iPod touch.
    Click the Applications tab at top (not on the left).
    Tick which applications he wants on his touch.
  • Mike Johnson12 Level 5 Level 5 (6,395 points)
    It is not confusing. You can only 'sync' iPods to one library. Sounds simple to me.

    If you sync an iPod to another library it will overwrite the iPod with the other libraries content.

    MJ
  • Grant Symon Level 2 Level 2 (240 points)
    kcmc20 wrote:
    OMG! Could this be more confusing or complicated? I thought Macs were supposed to be easy. I'm in the market for a new Mac and I have 3 different iPods and am dreading this whole transfer thing.



    Don't worry about that. You can use the the Migration Assistant and all should be good. But even if you don't, you simply copy your Music folder from the old Mac to the new Mac. Can't get much simpler than that.
  • Grant Symon Level 2 Level 2 (240 points)
    Chris,

    thanks for the reply.

    Happily I've made some progress this afternoon.

    I ended up doing a 'Restore' followed by a 'Restore from backup' from my iPhone. That got the apps onto the iPod. (The problem was that they were 'greyed out' on the iPod's settings page ... the one you're talking about). Once there I changed the name back and tried syncing on his Mac. To my surprise it worked and the apps remained.

    Then, when I was re-doing all his preference settings I think I came across what may have been the problem all along. In his 'App Store' settings on his Touch, it was set to my account. I didn't realise that there was a setting in there, because I've never used the app store on my iPhone. So granting authorisation on his Mac was either not enough, or there was a problem and the Restore fixed it. I don't know which.

    Anyway ... he is happy now to have his games. I'm not so happy, because I think I should be able to transfer an app store purchase to another account (as in erase from one and install in another). Or, I should be able to sell them, or give them away. This whole DRM thing is a major PITA. And I say that as someone who relies on royalties for my living.
  • Chris CA Level 9 Level 9 (77,695 points)
    The App store username on the iPod touch is set to whoever is logged into the iTunes store when the iPod touch is last sync'd.
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