G4 won't boot from any Linux disc I put in it and c key no longer boots cd

I have a G4 Powermac (sawtooth, DVD drive, 512 MB RAM, 30 GB HDD) which has started refusing to boot from any Ububtu discs I have all of a sudden.

I'll be more specific. I've previously been able to boot from Ubuntu 6 cds (originals from shipit, not burnt) as well as Ubuntu 7 (burnt disc). I haven't made any changes to the system that should stop it booting from them. Currently installed on the hard disc is System 9 and Puma. It is still booting ok from my System 9, Puma, Panther and Tiger discs; but when trying to boot from my ubuntu discs (I've tried all of them to eliminate the possibility of a stuffed disc) the screen goes black for a second as if it is starting to boot, but then it kicks me to the flashing folder screen you get when it can't find a startup disc. Oddly enough the background colour of this screen isn't grey like usual. It's orange. I've never seen that before. If I leave it sitting at this screen after about 30 seconds or so it starts up from the hard disc on its own.

Another odd thing: the c key no longer forces the machine to boot from the cd when held on power up. This is extremely odd, as holding down option brings up the startup disc selector, and cmd opt+shiftdel also works. I've tried everything I can think of. Used a different keyboard, reset the NVRAM (by cmd opt+pr and my manually going into open firmware and doing a "reset-nvram" and "reset-all"). I've tried the PMU reset switch on the logic board. I've tried using different drives. In all cases it still refuses to boot from cd when holding c.

I don't think that the mac refusing to boot while holding the c key is coincidental. I believe that whatever the issue is that's causing this issue is what is also causing the mac from not booting any Ubuntu discs. It's a very strange problem and upon searching around, it seems this doesn't seem to have happened to anyone else before. Any advice will be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

sad old G4 Power Mac :(

Posted on Jul 5, 2009 1:54 PM

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Jul 5, 2009 2:20 PM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder

The discs are fine with the drive in it. I can insert and mount them in OS X and in System 9 on the G4 box and access all of the files on them. I've checked the md5 sums of a few files on the disc and compared them to the included list of checksums and they seem to be ok. The discs mount fine in finder with both drives I tried with the G4 (the first drive was the original DVD-ROM, the second I tried was an old Sony CD-ROM I had laying around).

Jul 5, 2009 4:11 PM in response to yoshi_

I am not intimate with the details of booting Ubuntu, but I was under the impression that:

a) you need to have some version of BootX on your Hard Drive to do this, otherwise you can only boot to a CD or to OS9.

b) the gray screen with the Apple and the pinwheel is put there by BootX.

So, unencumbered by any specific knowledge on the subject, I would like to propose that your BootX is clobbered or lost its blessing. Is there a way to re-write it? Does this suggestion bring anything else (perhaps more rooted in reality) to mind?

Jul 5, 2009 4:43 PM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder

I don't think it's BootX that's the problem. I just replaced the hard drive and put a fresh install of 10.3 on it, and then tried to boot from the Ubuntu disc but still had this problem. I think if BootX was the problem the clean install of Panther would have fixed it. And it still won't boot from the cd drive by holding down c, I have to do cmd opt+shiftdelete.

Also I think you misunderstood. The screen I get when I try to boot Ubuntu is not the grey apple logo start up screen (and in the case of the hard disc with puma the happy mac icon). It's the folder icon with the flashing question mark and mac logo that shows up when the computer can't find a disc to boot from. Only the screen is orange and not grey like it's supposed to be

Jul 5, 2009 4:57 PM in response to yoshi_

Never mind, I've got Ubuntu to boot now. It's always the stupidest little thing that stuffs things up. It turned out that it wouldn't boot because the cd drive was configured as a slave. All that screwing aroud for a trivial little thing. There is no reason why it shouldn't boot from a slave drive anyway. -_-

I still can't get it to boot from the cd by holding down the c key, but that's not the end of the world. I just have to be rush to get the cd in the drive and then to hit cmd shift+optdelete before it's too late...

Jul 6, 2009 9:29 AM in response to yoshi_

Hi, yoshi -

I just have to be rush to get the cd in the drive and then to hit cmd shift+optdelete before it's too late...


You should also be able to use Startup Manager to choose the CD as the boot volume -
Article #HT1310 - Startup Manager: How to Select a Startup Volume

A feature not discussed in that article -

Once Startup Manager has loaded, if the CD is not in the drive you can press Command-. (Command-periodkey) to open the drive - this should work even if another disk is already in the drive. Insert the disk you want to use, close the tray, wait a few seconds for the disk to spin up and get recognized, then click the circular arrow icon on the left - this forces a rescan of the available drives, which should result in an icon of the new disk appearing in the array. Click it to select it and then click the straight arrow icon on the right (or press Return).

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