q-flam question

Hi, I'm trying to use the q-flam on a selection of notes but it is affecting the whole track, i've seen videos where you can just select the notes you want out of the track and it just affects those notes but in my case it's affecting the whole track no matter what I do. I've made sure that the region is not selected, just the notes I want. thanks!

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Posted on Jul 6, 2009 10:55 PM

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Jul 7, 2009 1:09 AM in response to LouDar

All the region parameters are, well, region parameters. They affect the whole region.

In the editor windows (eg event list) you can quantise note selections but you don't get all the sexy quantise parameters here.

Move the notes you want to quantise into another region, set the region parameters how you want. You can always fix the quantise settings to "burn" the new timings into the data, then move those events back into the original regions if you want.

Jul 7, 2009 3:43 AM in response to LouDar

*_Delaying Events_*

The Inspector’s Delay parameter is very useful for drum programming (flams, for example), as only individual event types or note numbers are affected. It is also useful for tightening up or sliding notes in a region, without resorting to quantization.

_To delay or advance the selected event definition:_

• Set the Delay parameter to the desired value.

+Position changes are immediately reflected by the events in the lane. New events (inserted when a grid was active) are offset from the grid positions by the Delay parameter value.+

Jul 7, 2009 5:22 AM in response to Glenn F

Glenn F wrote:
You have to make sure that the notes selected are quantized, and all line up at the same place on the grid for the Q-Flam to work. I watched Steve Horelick's video on how to do this, and it worked perfectly.

Hope this helps,

Glenn


Yeah that's exactly the video I'm talking about, just not working like it does on the video...everything is quantized and lined up...I select the notes I want just like the video, adjust flam, nothing moves...I'll keep working on it.

Jul 7, 2009 5:43 AM in response to Bee Jay

Bee Jay wrote:
All the region parameters are, well, region parameters. They affect the whole region.

In the editor windows (eg event list) you can quantise note selections but you don't get all the sexy quantise parameters here.

Move the notes you want to quantise into another region, set the region parameters how you want. You can always fix the quantise settings to "burn" the new timings into the data, then move those events back into the original regions if you want.



thanks...yeah, this whole region thing is kinda bumming me out, I'm still new to logic (2 months) and love it but I've gotten myself into alot of trouble thus far because everything is region based and there are so many windows and selections that affect regions, added to the fact you have to have a region selected to merge any recorded data with it...every other program just has a midi merge mode. I'm used to selecting what individual notes want and having it just affect those. So I'm having to rewire my brain to think differently which is cool, except for the fact I saw what I'm trying to do on a video I watched, hmmm...I still prefer Logic over what I go through w/PT and DP.

Jul 7, 2009 6:55 AM in response to Glenn F

You have to make sure that the notes selected are quantized, and all line up at the same place on the grid for the Q-Flam to work. I watched Steve Horelick's video on how to do this, and it worked perfectly.


Which video is this? Are you saying he's using *region parameters* in the region parameter box to seemingly affect *selected notes* only in a region? Because as far as I know, this is impossible - the region parameters are playback parameters and affect all notes in a region.

Perhaps in his demo he was quantising everything but the q-flam only significantly altered the timing on a certain group of notes that were all in the same position - thus looking like it was only operating on selected notes. (In reality, it's operating on all notes, but only having an effect on some, which is as intended.)

Or are you saying he wasn't using the region parameters, and was using some different way of quantising notes? Remember, the note selection quantise menus in the editors don't have the extended quantize parameters, only the basic quantise settings menu.

Jul 7, 2009 10:35 AM in response to Bee Jay

Bee Jay wrote:
You have to make sure that the notes selected are quantized, and all line up at the same place on the grid for the Q-Flam to work. I watched Steve Horelick's video on how to do this, and it worked perfectly.


Which video is this? Are you saying he's using *region parameters* in the region parameter box to seemingly affect *selected notes* only in a region? Because as far as I know, this is impossible - the region parameters are playback parameters and affect all notes in a region.

Perhaps in his demo he was quantising everything but the q-flam only significantly altered the timing on a certain group of notes that were all in the same position - thus looking like it was only operating on selected notes. (In reality, it's operating on all notes, but only having an effect on some, which is as intended.)

Or are you saying he wasn't using the region parameters, and was using some different way of quantising notes? Remember, the note selection quantise menus in the editors don't have the extended quantize parameters, only the basic quantise settings menu.



I'm getting to work properly, you have to have the region selected in the arrange and the notes you want flammed selected in the piano roll, it won't alter any notes that aren't playing at the same time so you just have to be sure that there are not any in the region you are 'flamming'.

on another note...Bee Jay, do you know of anyway to keep all the regions from joining together when you record a midi or software instrument on a track. For example right now I'm recording a string part at bar 8 and at bar 59. After I finished recording the part at bar 59, it joins together with the part at 8 automatically making one giant region with nothing in it but the part at the beginning and at the end. Now I have to go through and cut out the parts of the region w/nothing in it....is there a preference or something to where it doesn't do that?

Jul 7, 2009 10:56 AM in response to Caramby

Caramby wrote:
+"Right now I'm recording a string part at bar 8 and at bar 59. After I finished recording the part at bar 59, it joins together with the part at 8 automatically making one giant region"+

Do you mean if you record the parts in a single take, or in two separate takes?


2 separate takes....or 3 or however many, it just joins them automatically.

Jul 7, 2009 11:10 AM in response to LouDar

I'm getting to work properly, you have to have the region selected in the arrange and the notes you want flammed selected in the piano roll, it won't alter any notes that aren't playing at the same time so you just have to be sure that there are not any in the region you are 'flamming'.


Sorry, but Logic doesn't work like this. Any settings in the region parameters box apply to all notes in that region. You cannot select just a few notes, and alter the region parameters, and have it apply to just those notes. Logic's design isn't like this.

So either you're describing something incorrectly, or you're not understanding what's going on.

Flams work on taking perfectly positioned notes, and spreading them out - so in the piano rool, let's create two perfectly quantised chords, one at 2 1 1 1, and one at 4 1 1 1, for a few notes each.

Now, I select the notes in the chord at 2 1 1 1, and change my q-flam region parameter. Guess what - both chords flam, the ones I have selected, and also the unselected chord. This is because the q-flam is a region parameter, and affects all notes within that region.

It has been this way since Logic's initial design.

The only way you can quantise note selections is either by using the quantise menus within the editor windows (the quantise menu, and the "Q" button) - but these don't have the sophisticated options of the region parameters - or by doing transform operations on the events.

Region parameters just do not work on selected notes only.


Now I have to go through and cut out the parts of the region w/nothing in it.


Why do you have to?

2 separate takes....or 3 or however many, it just joins them automatically.


Not here it doesn't... maybe you have a merge regions preference selected, or something...?

Jul 7, 2009 11:59 AM in response to LouDar

_Overlapping Recordings_
This pop-up menu provides the following settings:
• +(blah blah blah, then:)+
• *Merge with selected regions:* Newly-recorded data is merged with all selected regions, to form a single region. This takes place after each recording is completed.

-----

_To open the Recording project settings, do one of the following:_
• Choose +File > Project Settings > Recording+ ( or use the corresponding key command, default: Option-* ).
• Click the +Toolbar Settings+ button, then choose Recording from the menu.
• Control-click the Record button in the Transport bar, then choose +Recording Settings+ from the menu.

Jul 7, 2009 1:31 PM in response to Bee Jay

Bee Jay wrote:
I'm getting to work properly, you have to have the region selected in the arrange and the notes you want flammed selected in the piano roll, it won't alter any notes that aren't playing at the same time so you just have to be sure that there are not any in the region you are 'flamming'.


Sorry, but Logic doesn't work like this. Any settings in the region parameters box apply to all notes in that region. You cannot select just a few notes, and alter the region parameters, and have it apply to just those notes. Logic's design isn't like this.

So either you're describing something incorrectly, or you're not understanding what's going on.


I think I'm understanding exactly what's going on, that's why in my post I specifically stated that it only affects the notes that are played and quantized on the same beat or division. If there's a kick drum and nothing else on that beat or division, it's not going to move it cuz there's nothing for it to flam to. I've done this a few times now and as long as there's no notes at the same time it doesn't move them. Slowly figuring this thing out....I mis-correctly stated that you have to have notes selected but you don't, sorry....carrying on!

Jul 7, 2009 1:33 PM in response to Caramby

Caramby wrote:
_Overlapping Recordings_
This pop-up menu provides the following settings:
• +(blah blah blah, then:)+
• *Merge with selected regions:* Newly-recorded data is merged with all selected regions, to form a single region. This takes place after each recording is completed.

-----

_To open the Recording project settings, do one of the following:_
• Choose +File > Project Settings > Recording+ ( or use the corresponding key command, default: Option-* ).
• Click the +Toolbar Settings+ button, then choose Recording from the menu.
• Control-click the Record button in the Transport bar, then choose +Recording Settings+ from the menu.


THANKS!!! breakthrough for me.

Jul 7, 2009 1:51 PM in response to LouDar

I think I'm understanding exactly what's going on, that's why in my post I specifically stated that it only affects the notes that are played and quantized on the same beat or division.


Yes - this is what the flam function does - it only works on perfectly quantised chords and flams them out. No chords with notes exactly together, and the flam function does nothing.

It's in the manual 😉

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