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  • 180. Re: Snow Leopard means no more Appletalk
    Grant Bennet-Alder Level 8 Level 8 (49,285 points)
    AppleTalk was an amazing achievement in its day. Long before the RJ-45 twisted pair Ethernet we know today, It allowed some very early Macintosh and other computers to share files and printers at a speed of 240,000 bits/sec over essentially telephone wire.

    But the AppleTalk protocol (even AppleTalk-over-Ethernet) does not use IP Addresses. It has its own private Addressing scheme. It uses the same Highway as TCP/IP, but does not interact with it in any way.

    I am sad to see AppleTalk being phased out. But the fact remains that there is no substantial new development going on using AppleTalk -- inside Apple or out.
  • 181. Re: Snow Leopard means no more Appletalk
    Frederick Van Veen Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)
    Judging by the volume of comments on this subject, there is a market for a solution, if there is a knowledgeable and ambitious entrepreneur around. One last question: Does the issue change in any way depending on whether the Farallon EtherMac adapter is connected directly to the computer or through a router? I can't think that it should, but maybe I'm missing something.
  • 182. Re: Snow Leopard means no more Appletalk
    Grant Bennet-Alder Level 8 Level 8 (49,285 points)
    Frederick Van Veen-

    Does the issue change in any way depending on whether the Farallon EtherMac adapter is connected directly to the computer or through a router?


    Generally no, but there is one narrow case where it can make a difference, in certain off-brand Routers and Switches. The difference is that it does not work at all.

    To understand why, you need to know a little more about the internal operation of Switches and Routers. These devices accept the entire incoming packet, store it momentarily, check the checksums and other fields for validity, then forward only the Valid packets. Packet fragments and Invalid packets are discarded. This is referred to in the Industry as "Store and Forward" technology.

    The trouble with certain devices is that they were not tested with AppleTalk packets, only with IP packets. They reject AppleTalk packets as invalid IP packets, and refuse to forward them. So AppleTalk packets do not pass through such equipment. The problem is more prevalent on off-brand Wireless networks.

    Major Brand Switches and Routers do not have this problem. Most are "Apple-aware", and have been tested and "fixed" to allow AppleTalk packets on both wired and wireless.
  • 183. Re: Snow Leopard means no more Appletalk
    Frederick Van Veen Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)
    Since mine is a plain vanilla Linksys router, I gather that its presence or absence makes no difference.
    The LW 320 worked perfectly with my G4 desktop (10.4.11). Is there any point in recreating that setup, determining the settings (including the IP), and then trying to duplicate them with the new MacMini? Or is it a lost cause?
    I really appreciate your sharing your considerable knowledge with me, Grant.
    Fred
  • 184. Re: Snow Leopard means no more Appletalk
    Grant Bennet-Alder Level 8 Level 8 (49,285 points)
    AppleTalk simply does not use IP Addresses. It is like a parallel universe that uses the same Ethernet cabling for a Highway, but does not interact with IP packets in any way.

    Apple removed support for Appletalk Printing in 10.6 Snow Leopard, so users without another port on their printers (like you and like me) are stuck with some awkward solutions.
  • 185. Re: Snow Leopard means no more Appletalk
    Frederick Van Veen Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)
    Time to throw in the towel. But I will keep my G4 desktop in storage, rather than give it away. Thanks for your advice and patience, Grant.
    Fred
  • 186. Re: Snow Leopard means no more Appletalk
    John Galt Level 8 Level 8 (36,425 points)
    Brent D. wrote:
    ... Does anyone who succeeded with the USB to Parallel solution on a LW Pro 630 have any advice?

    Ultimately, I'm hoping to set it up through my Airport Extreme, but first I thought I'd get it working plugged directly into my iMac


    Brent, sorry for not noticing your question long ago (Apple Discussions doesn't send me emails after a time it seems) but I have used an IOGear GUC1284B USB to parallel adapter with my HP LaserJet 4MP. It worked flawlessly connected to an iMac. Better yet, it even worked while connected to an Airport Express, so I surmise it should work with any Airport base station. I can't imagine it wouldn't work with your LaserWriter Pro 630.

    Try it. Some USB to parallel adapters work, some don't. This one does.

    About $20 on Amazon.

    Since then, I have tried both the D-Link DP-311P and DP-G301 wireless print servers. They worked too, unfortunately both are discontinued. The DP-311P is still available on Amazon though. If you buy one of them these instructions are priceless, since D-Link offers exactly zero support for them.

    Good luck!
  • 187. Re: Snow Leopard means no more Appletalk
    WoosterBoy Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    If you had at least one Mac still running 10.5 or earlier, you could share that printer with the other computers on your Network and continue to print to it using Printer Sharing. The Mac doing the Sharing would accept print jobs from the other computers as long as it was powered up and running when you wanted to print.

    Thanks for this Grant, it solved my problem of printing to a 1996 LaserWriter 12/640 than still prints great looking documents. I used a G5 as my print "server" with sharing of the 12/640 turned on, and successfully printed to it from a networked MBP running 10.6.6.

     

     

    After it is Shared, go to another Mac and add an LPR print queue (virtual printer) that forwards the print jobs to the Shared Printer.

    What do you mean by adding an LPR print queue? Would that make the process any better?

  • 188. Re: Snow Leopard means no more Appletalk
    Grant Bennet-Alder Level 8 Level 8 (49,285 points)

    WoosterBoy-

     

    You instinctively did what was right. You added a Printer on your 10.6 Mac. The one available was the shared printer. Done.

     

    In older versions of the software, the add-a-printer process can be much more arduous. In OS 9, you would have to describe it in detail without being able to see it, thus you specify it as an LPR Printer.

  • 189. Re: Snow Leopard means no more Appletalk
    timmer21 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Does anyone know if this is a solution for a LW 320, mini (10.6) and Airport Extreme set up?

    http://www.tripplite.com/en/products/model.cfm?txtSeriesID=849&txtModelID=3915

    I have not been able to set up the printer otherwise.

    If not - any steps or suggestions to get it to work?

  • 190. Re: Snow Leopard means no more Appletalk
    Grant Bennet-Alder Level 8 Level 8 (49,285 points)

    timmer21-

     

    If connection to the Printer were the ONLY issue, (which it is NOT) that device might do the trick.

     

    But Alas, support for any form of AppleTalk (the only protocol your printer can talk) has been removed from Mac OS X 10.6.

     

    Some users are using an older Mac, still running 10.5 or earlier, to act a a Print Spooler.

    Others have found a Printer Server that can do AppleTalk, such as some from HP.

    Some have given up on their great old Apple Personal Printers and bought a new Brother Laser Printer or something else.

     

    This discussion has over 185 entries, so if you want to know what others are using, just read some of the older entries.

  • 191. Re: Snow Leopard means no more Appletalk
    timmer21 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Thanks Grant.

    I will see what else there is and any suggestions others had.

    Tim

  • 192. Re: Snow Leopard means no more Appletalk
    John Galt Level 8 Level 8 (36,425 points)

    Trimmer21, I have used that adapter sucessfully with an Imagewriter II printer. It works great, but bear in mind that's strictly a serial application. I don't believe it will work with a LW but that's not certain.

     

    I think your best possibilty for a solution may be found in this thread:

     

    https://discussions.apple.com/thread/2810913

     

    Scroll down to the last reply describing my USB/parallel cable and Airport Express solution that ought to work for you.

  • 193. Re: Snow Leopard means no more Appletalk
    Redpackman Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Thank you Frank. Your suggestions worked when NOTHING else had. I have a Laserwriter 16/600 and was trying to print form a MacBook Pro using Snow Leopard (10.6.8). Originally the IP address of the Laswerwriter had been 192.168.1.6 but nothing would work with that IP. I tried to ping it using the Network Utility. Nothing. If I told it to print something using the same exact IP set up I eventually used to get this one running the printer could not be found. But then I changed the IP address using an old computer running classic and the Printer Utility program that runs in OS 9 and changed it to 10.0.1.2 and it WORKED!

     

    Why would it work with your suggested IP address and NOT the other one?

  • 194. Re: Snow Leopard means no more Appletalk
    Grant Bennet-Alder Level 8 Level 8 (49,285 points)

    Computers can communicate freely with others on the same subnet, without Router intervention. So if the IP Address is within your subnet (typically the same high-order numbers as your Mac with a different last octet) it can communicate fine.

     

    Ethernet Routers tend to establish a Network around 192.168.0.1 or something similar.

    WiFi Routers tend to establish a network around 10.0.0.1 or something similar.

     

    Look at Your Router address (or your computer address) and assign one that is similar, but not identical, and high enough to be "out of the way", but not over .254

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