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Clicking hard drive of (almost-)death

Hi,

I've owned a 700 Mhz 12-inch dual USB iBook since July 2002. For a long time, it served me well. Early 2003, the battery's capacity started decreasing rapidly, but Apple replaced it for free, and the new battery has been performing much better. The real problems didn't start until Easter 2004.

It was then, a few days before I was off to a trip to the US (all the way from Germany), that I noticed very strange slowdowns in my usage. However, I was unable to locate the problem. My suspicion of a hard drive issue seemed unfounded: Disk Utility, run off the installation CD, would not report errors.

I made the foolish decision not to bring said installation CD on my trip, since about two weeks later, I could have used it: the slow-downs turned into actual problems. The system would sometimes stall for twenty minutes or just decided to hang entirely. Sometimes, when booting, the kernel failed to find certain kernel extensions (figured out by booting with Cmd-V verbose mode). Simply put, it was in fact the hard drive that was failing. Checking the S.M.A.R.T. status confirmed this. Luckily, with a lot of patience and hundreds of reboots, I was able to save almost all significant information.

(As a sidenote, I wish .mac Backup wasn't crippled for non-customers. In version 3, it has become a fine program. For now, I'll stick to using hdiutil, creating compressed disk images and storing them on an SMB share on another computer.)

Suffice to say, my laptop was useless for the rest of the trip, with no means to even reinstall a temporary system, let alone have someone inspect and/or replace the hard drive. Back in Germany, I've had it done and took the opportunity to get a bigger drive; a Hitachi TravelStar with 60 GB capacity (rather than the Apple-supplied 20 GB Toshiba drive). 5K80, I believe.

Everything seemed fine; the faster drive made the area to the left of the trackpad (where the hard drive is located) a little warmer, but not, apparently, to a critical point. Furthermore, other people told me this drive should be perfectly fine for this model.

I started hearing of the logic board replacements and found myself astonished and happy that my model didn't seem affected, despite having one of the related serial number series. Not so, though: one morning at the end of March 2005, I did experience the very issues described in Apple's FAQ. For a while, though, I was able to continue using the computer (and, again, saving some crucial data -- yes, I do need a safer backup plan) thanks to the "press area next to the trackpad together" trick that has been described on this board and elsewhere on the internet. For various reasons, however, I was not able to actually have the iBook repaired until July, just a few days before it would have slipped over the three years warranty. And before July, for whatever reason, something else happened: the hard drive died. Again. Same issues: slowdowns at first, no sign according to Disk Utility of trouble, then all of a sudden, a "failing" S.M.A.R.T. status, and finally, an utter failure at booting the system, unrelated to the logic board trouble.

I checked with Hitachi, and luckily, I was covered by their warranty. I had someone remove the hard drive and send it in; a replacement arrived within two weeks, and things were fine again. I decided not to touch the laptop until I was able to have the logic board replaced in July.

(Once replaced, the dealer commented surprisedly that while the machine should be fine, he found that the hard drive seemed empty, heh.)

I took the laptop back home, fresh hard drive, fresh logic board.

It wouldn't boot. This made me raise my eyebrows, but a PMU reset using Shift-Ctrl-Opt-Power fixed that. Maybe nothing significant; after that, an installation of OS X worked fine and once again, I was able to work with my iBook.

(Then, my power adapter died, I had to order a new one, giving me another several weeks of no working laptop. What a ye

Posted on Sep 29, 2005 8:42 PM

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Sep 29, 2005 9:02 PM in response to Sören Kuklau

(I just realized it didn't show the entire text, so...)

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(Then, my power adapter died, I had to order a new one, giving me another several weeks of no working laptop. What a year!)

Skipping forward to early September, issues appeared yet again. Every now and then, the hard drive would start clicking loudly, the GUI would stall (some apps at first, then all), etc. I have had booting problems, have had to reset the PMU multiple times a week, and so on.

Today, I've also had the video turn weird once; during bootup, the grey apple would get funky colors. Doesn't necessarily mean the logic board is broken again, though.

What is it though? Could it truly be the hard drive? After two replacements? Have I picked a bad model at Hitachi? Or is the logic board the culprit?

Other ideas include the ATA/power cable to the hard drive, the shielding around it, etc. Power and almost everything else of the laptop per se seems perfectly fine.

It should be noted, though, that during verbose startups, I sometimes experience odd messages with the lo0 network adapter and mDNS. A Tiger bug, or something with my hardware?

Any hints and pointers greatly appreciated. The iBook isn't worth selling in this state, but neither do I want it laying around uselessly.

Thanks!

Sep 30, 2005 11:21 PM in response to Ronda Wilson

The logic board has been replaced in August, as mentioned. Possible but unlikely that it would die again within just a few weeks.

The iBook is running fine, btw, off an external hard drive. All of the symptoms listed on the page you linked to are related to video, not hard drive:

"Scrambled or distorted video
Appearance of unexpected lines on the screen
Intermittent video image
Video freeze
Computer starts up to blank screen"

Oct 1, 2005 10:40 AM in response to Sören Kuklau

Today, I've also had the video turn weird once; during bootup, the grey apple would get funky colors. Doesn't necessarily mean the logic board is broken again, though.


This is what mad me think, "logic board."

The logic board has been replaced in August, as mentioned. Possible but unlikely that it would die again within just a few weeks.


When mine was replaced the first time, it had to go in one week later to have it done again. Many have been back for multiple logic board repairs.

When my hard drive started clicking at me, I tried an Archive and Install and the noise and weirdness stopped. That doesn't mean it will work for everyone experiencing this problem, but it did for me.

Good luck.

Oct 1, 2005 11:31 AM in response to Ronda Wilson

This is what mad me think, "logic board."


Ah, right. Hasn't occurred since; I've been running the iBook in a stable way off an external drive since around the time I started the thread. The graphics could have been a read error from the hard drive: the Apple logo is a graphic on the boot medium...

When mine was replaced the first time, it had to go in one week later to have it done again. Many have been back for multiple logic board repairs.


Ouch. Well, either way, I would be out of luck: the three-year period is over, so no more replacements for me. Investing money into a repair that would most likely cost $500, if not more, isn't worth it for me. If anything, I'd rather sell this off and give my fiancée a cheaper alternative (second-hand or refurbished, maybe) laptop instead.

I've done reinstalls; the problem came back, but thanks for the suggestion. 🙂

Oct 1, 2005 4:34 PM in response to Ronda Wilson

90-day warranty on repairs.


Interesting! Even when performed by an authorized dealer?

Can you get into Disk Utility to check the S.M.A.R.T. status?


It says "not supported"; apparently, it can only check the status of the drive that I booted off. I could quickly install a minimum OS X (if the hard drive lets me 😉 ) and then check again.

However, the last time I managed to boot off the internal hard drive (which was after I first created this thread), Disk Utility curiously reported the S.M.A.R.T. status as "Verified", contrary to my earlier hard drive issues (Easter 2004 and May this year), where S.M.A.R.T. status clearly reported "Failing". Which is what leads me to believe that the hard drive is in fact not the culprit.

Thanks againÂ…

Oct 1, 2005 10:00 PM in response to Ronda Wilson

Only warranted by Apple for the 90 days when performed by an Authorized Apple Service Provider.


I was unclear; I meant "Even when performed by an authorized dealer" *as opposed to Apple themselves*. The dealer ordered the replacement board and confirmed the the eligibility through Apple, but performed the replacement themselves in-house, not at Apple. So my question was, do Apple's policies apply here. I guess you have answered that. 🙂

"However, it does beg the question, "If not the hard drive, what?""

Indeed. Hence my comments about a possible faulty ATA cable. Seems hard to diagnose though; as I said before, I'm not going to send it in for repair again (unless free or at very low cost).

So I guess right now it boils down to:
1) finding out whether it could be another faulty logic board. Will my dealer check this for free?
2) failing that, figuring out how to check the cable:
a) could this be determined using a "benchmark"; a very long stream of file transferred to or from the hard drive?
b) Hitachi provides a "Drive Fitness Test" here: http://www.hgst.com/hdd/support/download.htm#Drive%20fitness -- any chance I can run something similar on the Mac? Doesn't have to be on Mac OS X; using a Gentoo Linux Live CD perhaps? I presume emulating the test doesn't help any since the test would need direct hardware access.

Clicking hard drive of (almost-)death

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