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  • 15. Re: Anyway to activate old 2G iPhone with dummy SIM card?
    nickgeno Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    Any day you learn something new is a good day (what I tell my students everyday.)

    However, it does burn me slightly as a previous computer science major when I can't figure something out on my computer right away. EErrr, I'll get it eventually though.


    Thanks for the help everyone
  • 16. Re: Anyway to activate old 2G iPhone with dummy SIM card?
    Allan Sampson Level 10 Level 10 (123,340 points)
    It doesn't need to be the "original" SIM card used to activate your first generation iPhone.

    At this point, you need to re-activate your first generation iPhone with a SIM card that can remain inserted in the iPhone after it is no longer activated in order to install a firmware update or restore the iPhone with iTunes if wanted or needed, and use the iPhone as an iPod Touch.
  • 17. Re: Anyway to activate old 2G iPhone with dummy SIM card?
    nickgeno Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    So the sim card can be one of the dummy cards I have lying around? If that is the case, and it is activated, how will it be assigned a rate plan and number?

    And if I am to use my sim card currently in my 3G, won't that throw my rate plan out of whack activating the 2G and then coming back to the 3G?


    Thanks again Allan, I think we are one step away from a final answer!
  • 18. Re: Anyway to activate old 2G iPhone with dummy SIM card?
    Allan Sampson Level 10 Level 10 (123,340 points)
    You're welcome.

    If you use one of the dummy SIM cards to re-activate your first generation iPhone temporarily with your existing line/number, your 3G will no longer be activated while your first generation iPhone is re-activated temporarily. This must be followed by re-activating your 3G which will deactivate your first generation iPhone again followed by leaving the no longer activated SIM card inserted in your first generation iPhone in order to install a firmware update or restore the iPhone with iTunes if wanted or needed, and use the first generation iPhone as an iPod Touch.

    The only thing that will change with this process temporarily is your data plan rate - $20/mo for the first generation iPhone, and $30/mo for the 3G.

    You may want to do this at the same AT&T store so there won't be any problems with your account quickly switching from one data plan rate to another and back again.
  • 19. Re: Anyway to activate old 2G iPhone with dummy SIM card?
    nickgeno Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    And there we have it, thats all I needed to know. Apparently there will be no way around switching data plans and iPhones, and then back again. But, you have MORE THAN adequately answered my question and told me everything I need to know.


    I thank you for your time and patience. You are a gentleman and a scholar
  • 20. Re: Anyway to activate old 2G iPhone with dummy SIM card?
    Shawn Reeves1 Level 1 Level 1 (25 points)
    When first given the de-activated iPhone, I was happy to see that when I removed the sim card, it acted as a touch. But then I made the mistake of plugging it in to iTunes and allowing iTunes to update it to OS 3.
    So, every time there is a reset, or a firmware update, we need to re-activate the old phone that we're using as a Touch, with the sim card in it, then de-activate it, leaving the sim card there.
    For me, a non-AT&T customer who was given an old iPhone to use as a Touch, that means becoming an AT&T customer for a day. I hope they don't mind. What an odd requirement, though. Perhaps AT&T wants me to consider becoming a paying customer, and contractually forces Apple to make me go through the rigmarole.
  • 21. Re: Anyway to activate old 2G iPhone with dummy SIM card?
    Allan Sampson Level 10 Level 10 (123,340 points)
    So, every time there is a reset, or a firmware update, we need to re-activate the old phone that we're using as a Touch, with the sim card in it, then de-activate it, leaving the sim card there.


    Not true. Apparently you did not read any of my previous posts in this thread. I still have my first generation iPhone which was activated with AT&T for over a year. It was deactivated when I purchased a 3G. I used the new SIM card included and pre-installed with the 3G to activate the 3G leaving the no longer activated SIM card in my first generation iPhone. I have installed every firmware update released since that time on my first generation iPhone without having to re-activate the iPhone with AT&T. As long as the no longer activated SIM card remains inserted in the iPhone - the SIM card that was used with the iPhone when the iPhone was activated, you can install a firmware update or restore the iPhone with iTunes if wanted or needed.

    And an iPhone reset is not the same as restoring an iPhone with iTunes.

    When first given the de-activated iPhone, I was happy to see that when I removed the sim card, it acted as a touch.


    What happened to the SIM card you removed from the iPhone? If this SIM card was not used to activate another AT&T phone and you still have the SIM card, insert the SIM card back in the iPhone and you will be able to install firmware update 3.0 or complete the process, and restore the iPhone with iTunes if wanted or needed without having to activate the iPhone with AT&T.

    I spelled this out very clearly with my previous posts in this thread.

    Although a no longer activated iPhone can be used as an iPod Touch, it is a phone first and foremost - hence the name - iPhone.
  • 22. Re: Anyway to activate old 2G iPhone with dummy SIM card?
    ouimetnick Level 2 Level 2 (235 points)
    Allan,
    Lets say I borrow my brother's at&t sim card, my iPhone activates and works with that sim card with out any hacking. When he moves to t-mobile pre-paid in ten days, with his soon to be de-activated sim card, i can update the OS/restore my iPhone OS using that sim card even if it is de-activated?
    However, if i need to get my phone replaced, through the advance replacement program, can I stick in the de-activated sim that i used in my previous original iPhone in the new replacement original iPhone? Will I be able to use the de-activated sim card in my replacement iPhone to bypass the activate screen?

    Thank You,
    ouimetnick
  • 23. Re: Anyway to activate old 2G iPhone with dummy SIM card?
    Allan Sampson Level 10 Level 10 (123,340 points)
    Lets say I borrow my brother's at&t sim card, my iPhone activates and works with that sim card with out any hacking. When he moves to t-mobile pre-paid in ten days, with his soon to be de-activated sim card, i can update the OS/restore my iPhone OS using that sim card even if it is de-activated?


    Yes. As already provided several times, the no longer activated SIM card must remain inserted in the iPhone in order to install a firmware update or restore the iPhone with iTunes if needed or wanted - the SIM card that was used with the iPhone when the iPhone was activated.

    However, if i need to get my phone replaced, through the advance replacement program, can I stick in the de-activated sim that i used in my previous original iPhone in the new replacement original iPhone? Will I be able to use the de-activated sim card in my replacement iPhone to bypass the activate screen?


    If this iPhone remains under warranty, I don't believe you will get an exchange under warranty unless the iPhone is activated. I believe the same applies for Apple's out of warranty or not covered under the warranty "repair" price, which is a discounted exchange price.
  • 24. Re: Anyway to activate old 2G iPhone with dummy SIM card?
    ouimetnick Level 2 Level 2 (235 points)
    When ever I have an issue, they send me a new one and then I send the old one back. But do you know if "However, if i need to get my phone replaced, through the advance replacement program, can I stick in the de-activated sim that i used in my previous original iPhone in the new replacement original iPhone? Will I be able to use the de-activated sim card in my replacement iPhone to bypass the activate screen?"
    Would I be able to use an already de-activated sim card, stick it in the replacement iPhone and bypass the connect to iTunes screen for activation?
  • 25. Re: Anyway to activate old 2G iPhone with dummy SIM card?
    Allan Sampson Level 10 Level 10 (123,340 points)
    For a no longer activated iPhone, Apple has exchanged the iPhone under warranty?

    Did you have to activate an exchange under warranty, or did you just insert the activated SIM card from the iPhone being exchanged in the iPhone received as the replacement?

    I can't answer your question for certain since I haven't done it.
  • 26. Re: Anyway to activate old 2G iPhone with dummy SIM card?
    Shawn Reeves1 Level 1 Level 1 (25 points)
    Thanks for the reply Allan, but, in fact, I did read all your posts and I do understand them. I am sincerely happy for all of you whose experience matches the stated expectations. There is, however, no getting around the truth, not borne out by logic but rather by experience. You have had an experience which supports your statements, so I am not arguing with them. For me, I have had a different experience, which is undeniable, because it happened. I am not posting to argue, but to warn of a different possible outcome. Hopefully, most people in our situation will have your experience, not mine.
    Your experience is the expected one, according to Apple's document:
    http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3406
    which clearly states "If the original iPhone displays the "Connect to iTunes" screen, you can use that SIM card to re-activate your original iPhone, regardless of whether that SIM has a wireless service account/tariff still associated with it."
    To be clear: I still have the original sim card, the one that was in the phone when it was used as a phone; it was never used to activate any other phone. Contrary to Apple's document and your suggestion and experience, when I connect my iPhone, now updated to OS3 as described in my previous post, to iTunes, all I can get to is the "Welcome to your new iPhone" page. Whether the sim card is installed or not.
    So, instead of dismissing my experience as impossible, which is an inappropriate denial of observable truth, we should publish it as a warning of how not to update to 3.0 (however I did it) with a de-activated phone. A little hazy on exactly what I did, but really there are only two possibilities: When I allowed it to be updated to 3.0 by iTunes the SIM card was not in the phone, or it was in the phone. I think that the former was the case. In any case, I never experienced any errors or hiccups, just the unintentional bricking brought about by the update. If my guess is true, a very important part of Allan's suggestion is "As long as the no longer activated SIM card remains inserted in the iPhone..." Perhaps just taking it out before an update is enough to break the chain. (I wish) I should be forgiven for taking it out, because that is what I did to make it stop asking me to activate it when it was running OS 2.
    Notes:
    1)Before I updated to OS3, the iPhone, SIM safely tucked in a drawer, was working just like a Touch plus camera and mic.
    2)Now, when there is no sim card in my iPhone, it complains "Insert a valid SIM card..."
    3)Now, when there is the original sim card in my iPhone, when it connects to iTunes it asks to be activated.
    4)The phone was never jailbroken nor hacked; it was just used normally, by one customer, a relative of mine.

    OK, there is one part of Allan's post (and Apple's doc) with which I cannot agree is universally true, because it doesn't hold true for me:
    Allan Sampson wrote:
    What happened to the SIM card you removed from the iPhone? If this SIM card was not used to activate another AT&T phone and you still have the SIM card, insert the SIM card back in the iPhone and you will be able to install firmware update 3.0 or complete the process, and restore the iPhone with iTunes if wanted or needed without having to activate the iPhone with AT&T.
    I spelled this out very clearly with my previous posts in this thread.

    Yes, it's spelled out very clearly now.
  • 27. Re: Anyway to activate old 2G iPhone with dummy SIM card?
    ouimetnick Level 2 Level 2 (235 points)
    I would always borrow my brother's iphone 3G AT&T sim card. He is moving to t-mobile pre-paid. and will give me his de-activated sim. It was used to unbrick my iPhone. I can use it to update the OS and restore my OS as I'm on the Original iphone. From what I understand it won't work like that on the 3G. but If I get my iphone replaced, and Apple sends me a replacement...
    Can I put a de-activated at&t sim card that was used in an original iPhone into a replacement Original iPhone and bypass the activation screen?
  • 28. Re: Anyway to activate old 2G iPhone with dummy SIM card?
    ouimetnick Level 2 Level 2 (235 points)
    I use my iPhone with out a sim card as a iPod touch. When I need to update, I borrow my brothers at&t sim card. but it will be de-activated soon, as he will be switching to tmobile.
  • 29. Re: Anyway to activate old 2G iPhone with dummy SIM card?
    Allan Sampson Level 10 Level 10 (123,340 points)
    With the SIM card inserted, try restoring the iPhone with iTunes to see if this makes any difference regarding being provided the prompt to activate the iPhone with AT&T.

    I tried to install a firmware update on my first generation iPhone without the no longer activated SIM card inserted. I was not able to complete the process. I inserted the SIM card but I don't recall if this allowed the process to complete, or if I had to restore the iPhone with iTunes since it was a while ago. I installed firmware update 3.0 on my no longer activated first generation iPhone without any problems. I leave the no longer activated SIM card inserted in the iPhone when being used as an iPod Touch and I turn on Airplane mode followed by turning on wi-fi access because the iPhone isn't activated and not being used as a phone. No insert a valid SIM card message when doing so.

    If restoring the iPhone with iTunes does not work, you can temporarily activate the iPhone, or sell the iPhone on eBay or Craiglist and use the proceeds to purchase an iPod Touch. A major firmware update costs $9.95 for iPod Touch users.