10 Replies Latest reply: Aug 8, 2009 7:46 PM by Ziatron
AlfaGT Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)
Slightly off topic, but having made several movies in iDVD I now have to label them and I am trying to get a later version of the CD-Stomper software (I have version 3.0 form original CD Stomper branding, with A4 labels, its from when PPC was new!) or a template.

The Avery site (I believe they bought the brand) does not have the labels I have in their template software.

Does anyone know where I can get a template or software update for the original software?

Thanks for any tips

Macbook Pro, Mac OS X (10.5.7)
  • Bengt Wärleby Level 6 Level 6 (19,450 points)
    Hi

    PLEASE - DO NOT PUT ANY LABLES ON ANY CD or Especially DVD DISCS ! ! !

    They get in unbalance resulting in
    • NOT readable
    • HARMING the Player CD or DVD - The G-force will be destructive

    What to do.
    • Already burned CDs and DVDs - USE a filt pen !
    • New - Use Printable CDs or DVDs and a printer that writes directly on the
    printable side
    of it.

    Your Very Serious Bengt W
  • AlfaGT Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)
    Thanks for your opinion but I am quite happy applying labels to CD's and have never had any issues as long as they are applied correctly.

    Sorry to hear you have had issues though.
  • Frank Miller2 Level 2 Level 2 (170 points)
    AlfaGT,

    Just a word reinforcing what Bengt said. Applying paper labels to DVDs is not a good idea, regardless of your experience with CDs. They aren't the same animal. The tolerances for proper DVD reading are tighter that that for CDs - there' a LOT more data on a disk of the same physical size. IMHO, and experience, any applied label WILL upset the balance and lead to problems.

    Frank
  • AlfaGT Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)
    Ok, well everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and I personally have had no issues using labels applied correctly and centrally to a disc, either CD or DVD.

    The next blank media I buy I will look at getting printable media, but it does not seem to be easily available on a spindle, at least in the UK.

    In the mean time I have plenty of labels and branded discs left... if anyone can point me towards a stomper A4 template.
  • ComputerWhiz Level 1 Level 1 (35 points)
    I would definitely label my DVDs with DVD safe labels. Don't get the cheap paper ones, get the ones made especially for DVDs, sometimes made of Polyester. Better yet, get a glossy label!
  • Beverly Maneatis Level 5 Level 5 (7,150 points)
    +I personally have had no issues using labels applied correctly and centrally to a disc, either CD or DVD.+

    Just don't play them very much so the disks won't get hot and cause melting of the adhesive inside your DVD player, or slippage of the label so that the disk jams or buildup of adhesive on one side causing warping.

    Please, please pay attention to those who are warning you. Just because you personally have not had a car accident doesn't mean you should be driving without a seat belt or rearview mirrors.
  • AlfaGT Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)
    So I would like to invite all those saying labels are dangerous to please provide some additional detail so I can make an informed decision.

    Are you saying that the CD-Stomper labels are not fit for purpose, or that all adhesive labels are not fit for purpose?

    Are you talking about using Apple slot loading drives, or generic CD and DVD players that overheat the label causing the adhesive issues?

    I will always pay attention to a well informed warning with supporting argument, but to be honest anyone that says "X is bad" without any supporting argument or evidence for their claims I tend to ignore on internet forums.

    Don't get the analogy with seat belts either, what you are saying is more if you buy brand X tyres the wheels will fall of my car... even though those tyres have been sold and marketed to be used on a car.
  • Beverly Maneatis Level 5 Level 5 (7,150 points)
    OK, I am gathering some more information for you. I have read that it is the adhesive on all labels. Any drive that can become hot, including computer drives and DVD players can cause the adhesive to melt or loosen. I fully understand your wanting information backed up, not just thrown around. Here are some comments found on a Google search for stick on labels for DVDs, and a couple of websites with warnings and information:

    From CDFreaks.com:
    +Labelling rule 1 - never apply anything other than round labels with a proper centering applicator.... I'm sure we've seen CDs labelled with one square label, but at current speeds the imbalance would be intolerable.+
    +The weight imbalance of a properly applied label should be minimal.+
    +Next problem, keep it CLEAN, as the label must stick firmly, so no dust, grit or greasy fingerprints!+
    +And get it smooth - if you ruck the label, it's better to re-burn than try to fix a badly applied label.+
    +So we come to the real problems of the label....+
    +1. Reaction between adhesive and media topcoat - more troublesome with media that has no additional top treatent.+
    +2. Peeling of the label due to time, weak adhesive - a partially peeled label will cause serious problems.+
    +3. Peeling of label into slotloader - it's a good idea NEVER to use adhesive-labelled media in a slotloader - as they can peel a label that would otherwise have been OK+


    Another post from same site:
    +Do not use those stick on labels. You will probably find that they look great, until 3 months from now, or 6 months from now, or perhaps a year from now, when most (or even all) of those burned DVDs suddently stop playing correctly on your DVD players. Do a search, and read some of the the experiences of others in this area.+
    +Either use a "Sharpie," and just write on the discs -- or purchase one of the printers that is capable of printing directly onto the discs. If you do the latter, purchase high quality "PRINTABLE" media (for example, the printable Taiyo Yuden or the printable Verbatim).+
    +You will thank yourself later.+
    +In the US, the only printers sold that can do this happen to be Epson (due to a patent dispute). I paid $69.99 for my Epson R200, since it has now been discontinued. You may still find it in stores, though. The new model (the Epson R220) is widely available for about $100.+
    +I paid $1.29 for my Sharpie. Your pricing may vary, a lot.+
    +Avoid a nightmare on down the road. Avoid stick-on labels on DVDs. They have not generally caused problems on CDs, but the DVD is a much more "precise" critter, and most of those who have tried to use labels on them regret it eventually, according to every thread I have read on this topic, on five different popular forums.+

    And, here is a CD/DVD Labeling Tips site:
    http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/349969/cddvdlabeling_tips_avoid_thosestickon.html

    Check out the longest post here:
    http://forum.doom9.org/archive/index.php/t-62490.html


    And, just FYI, an interesting commentary about Disk Rot and how to avoid it:
    http://forums.creativecow.net/archivethread/24/575169#575185


    You are right...my analogy was not quite right
    I just don't want to see you go to the trouble of creating nice stick-on labels and having problems with them some time in the future.
  • AlfaGT Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)
    Thanks for all that.

    So I use correct (round) labels applied direct centre with the appropriate tool (see thread title), and I don't use cheap media so I have yet to have a reaction with the top layer and the adhesive.

    Appreciate the comments on DVD's more sensitive than CD, but I just tried a disc i made 3 years ago in iMovie and labelled with stomper label and it plays fine, not peeling, no issues.

    The only thing that concerns me from all of that information is the slot loading, and its a valid point as macbook and macbook pro run very hot and it may affect the label after time in the drive.

    In any case as no one has answered the question on templates, I am not making any labels at the moment anyway!
  • Ziatron Level 4 Level 4 (3,725 points)
    Do NOT use adhesive labels!!!!!!!!!

    Everyone I know that tried adhesive labels was sorry.

    Try this program.

    http://smileonmymac.com/DiscLabel/

    On printable DVD+R discs. Something like,

    http://www.supermediastore.com/taiyo-yuden-8x-dvd-plus-r-media-white-inkjet-hub- printable.html

    iMovie 06 and iDVD 09 is a terrific combination for making DVDs.