Poster.mov

Could any one recommend a web site or book that would be helpful in teaching me more about poster movies?

Regards,

Hank Kearns

Posted on Oct 19, 2005 1:22 PM

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Oct 19, 2005 2:06 PM in response to Hank Kearns

If you know the basics about html "tags" creating a poster movie page is easy.
A "bonus" feature of the poster movie tags is how easily they can call (and use) the viewers installed QuickTime Player application.
Instead of playing the movie file back in a browser window a page can now use the QT Player app to "present" the file. This can even be "full screen" display.
Here is an example (one of my pages):
http://homepage.mac.com/kkirkster/64
The file is only 220KB's and yet plays back full screen dimensions.
A great way to "wow" your Web viewers.

Oct 19, 2005 4:29 PM in response to Hank Kearns

I tried, in the example movie, to showcase the "hidden" power of QuickTime Pro.
The first thing you should notice is the "tiny" file size. Even dial-up viewers are welcome.
The second thing you notice is that I don't use the browser plug-in and instead call the QuickTime Player to "present" the file.
So. A "tiny" file that fills a viewers entire screen. How cool is that!
Thanks for the question about my "book". It's a PDF file (searchable) with active "links" to Web content. I'm working hard on an update so it can be used by both version 6 and 7 users.
Feel free to examine the source html code from my "poster movie" page.
My book only shows the power of QuickTime Pro but it does include many examples for ways for you to use the same tips and techniques.

*Notice* I do benefit (however slightly) from the links used in this post.

Oct 21, 2005 9:59 AM in response to QuickTimeKirk

Kirk,

I've been trolling this discussion board and learning a lot.

Just saw your movie on Social Security, and it's real good.

Question -- how did you get something that looks so clear in presentation to be so small? I have a two minute clip of my wife at a public speaking engagement, and have only been able to get it down to 15 megs. I compressed with Sorenson 3, 10 frames, automatic key frames, medium quality. Audio is 16 megahertz.

Thanks for any hints

Oct 21, 2005 10:44 AM in response to Bennett Cooperman1

Most of my "movies" don't use video. I use small image files (usually half of the expected display size).
That particular file uses only 5 images that total about 140 KB's. The text track (even in karaoke style) is about 3 KB's and the sound track is in MIDI format (about 16 KB's). The biggest single part was my mug shot at the opening 37 KB's.
The "trick" is smoke and mirrors. The viewers "perceive" motion because of the dancing text track. Their eyes are distracted to the words until a new image pops up.
The "presentation" (full screen) adds to the display and is easy to add to any poster movie file via the Movie Properties window (Presentation tab).
Sorenson 3 isn't as good as H.264 but helps maintain backward compatibility since it can be viewed by QT 3, or higher.
A two minute video could be a lot smaller than your current 15 MB's. Consider lowering the data rate. Use the "Restrict Data Rate" option and try at 100 KB/sec (gradually going higher until the quality is what you want).
Do a "test export" of 30 seconds (part of the file that has the most motion) at various settings. Save these files for future reference. You can view the settings using the Movie Info window.
The best results come from practice and some basic understanding of the ground rules. Keeping copies of various settings is something I began using back with QT 3 Pro.
You'll get it. Baby steps, first.

Oct 22, 2005 1:03 PM in response to QuickTimeKirk

Kirk,

I copied your poster code, but it does not work on the web. When I open the page on my computer, it works fine in Safari or Firefox, but when I try to open the file from the web, I see only a large Q.

Could you look at my page, and tell me what I'm doing wrong. The last two QuickTime movies are the attempted poster.movs.

<http://www.greydogmac.com/football/gamepages.htm>

TIA,
Hank

Oct 22, 2005 1:54 PM in response to Hank Kearns

Complete URL's are mandatory. Your URL's use incomplete addresses. The href link must begin with http and end in .mov for your page to work.
You should consider (once you sort out the poster movie trouble) using the "poster movie" trick on the entire page.
As it loads now almost 150MB's of data is trying to load at one time. You'll have multiple movies playing (at the same time). Not what you want.

Oct 22, 2005 2:45 PM in response to Hank Kearns

Yes. Exactly!
You don't need such a "large" poster movie. You can create the with QT Pro or even an image editing app (I use Graphic Converter).
One page will work just great! If you "target" the quicktimeplayer (part of the html code) instead of the web browser, your visitors will have a very fast loading "intro" page that they can "choose" a QT file. No new pages are needed.
The poster movie could be as simple as a "click me" graphic (as small as 16X16 pixels).
Get your kids evolved. A small graphic (maybe an image of the player) sized "tiny" (64X64) could showcase your site and make it easier to navigate.
The 64X64 image file would become the "poster". Instructions at the top of the page (get QuickTime and click once on an image) should work just great for your football team page.
Now. The second thing you need to do is get your QT files a bit smaller. Not all of your visitors will have the broadband connection to play your huge files.
Time, software and trial and error, will teach you what you need to know next.

Oct 23, 2005 6:14 AM in response to QuickTimeKirk

Kirk,
Thanks for your guidance. I started putting QuickTime on the web this year, and it is a exciting topic.

Your suggestion about a simiple graphics is a good one. However, I like having a preview of the clip visible for the user, but I am sure I will use that concept soon. I assume you can use the same graphic as the "poster.mov" over and over again. That would make my job easier.

Making QT files smaller, now that is the real challenge. First there is so much to share. From what I have read, you can reduce the actual dimentions of the video, reduce the fps (I used 15 and it seems ok) and of course the duration of the video. Is there any suggestions you have from what you have done?

Regards,

Hank

Oct 24, 2005 5:13 AM in response to QuickTimeKirk

Kirk,

Before I read your email, I made some changes and the poster movie was working on my computer over the internet, and it worked for my son, who has a Mac as well, and my href lines ended in mov. The tutorial on the web by David Egbert and the book I am reading QuickTime for the web did not have the http address in any of their examples. However, when I went to work, the PC could not find the files. Luckily I had gone to school to workout at 6:00. After my workout I came home and I just changed the code to include everything you had in your code. It works here at home. Now the real test is when I go back to school.

Thanks for the help.

Hank

Nov 1, 2005 5:26 AM in response to QuickTimeKirk

Kirk,

Thanks for all of your help. My QT presentations are far from professional, but they are getting better. I found that using the code to open the QT clip in the QT application, caused problems if the user did not have QT 7 installed. So I went back to using the plugin for QT. I liked your idea about the little icon, but the players seem to like the actual picture of each of the clips.

Here is my site again, <http://www.greydogmac.com/football/gamepages.htm>

I have another question. For some reason the controller does not appear on my browers, Safari or Firefox. However, the controller does appear in the PCs at school. I made the controller code "true." Do you know why the code works this way. Also, when I went to this site by David Egbert <http://www.david.egbert.name/quicktime/tutorials/poster_movies/>, his code has the controller set for false, and the controller appears.

I thought that false hid the controller and true showed the controller.

Hank

Nov 1, 2005 10:47 AM in response to Hank Kearns

Your page code still has a few errors.
The height and width must be that used in the poster movie and must be the same in both the object and embed tags. Its size should be what is used in the href movie.
Your page uses two different values.
The controller should be set to "false" if the poster movie is a still image. The two files (poster movie and href movie) are independent.
If your href movie size is 320X240 and you wish to include the controller your poster movie height should be 256 and its width 320.
The extra 16 pixels allow for the controller to be viewed in the href movie.
If your poster dimension height is set at 240 and the target ="myself" (the browser) your href movie controller can't be viewed.
Does this make sense? Does it explain why your movies may not show a controller?

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