Downgrading 10.5.8 => 10.4.11

I am thinking of downgrading the OS on my G5 desktop machine from umm 10.5.8 to 10.4.11 so I can get all my numerous Classic legacy applications back now my other 10.4.11 machine has died. Are there any hazards or difficulties?

I have a recently bought 10.4.x installation disk. There is certainly a functioning System 9 on my old 10.4.11 machine I can still get at - and probably an undeleted one on my G5 10.5.8. I do not think I have any actual System 9 installation disks.

MacBook Pro (10.5.8), PowerBook G4 (10.4.11) and Power Mac G5 (10.5.8), Mac OS X (10.4.11), Classic rules!

Posted on Aug 15, 2009 7:52 AM

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Aug 15, 2009 8:57 AM in response to Texas Mac Man

Well in fact my G5 already has two drives but if the System 9 is anywhere it’ll be on the primary drive where 10.5.8 currently resides. So I could certainly do roughly what you suggest and install 10.5.8 on the second drive. but that still leaves me with needing to downgrade the primary drive to 10.4.11.

Unless copying OS9 in the finder is easy stuff - eg from my dying PB G4 where I know there is a functioning Classic OS. Is it possible just to copy over Classic OS?

I just had a thought that I could just recover a disk image of my G4 Mac in its entirety - Classic OS, OS 10.4.11, data and all to my larger secondary drive on the G5 desktop. Would that be away of installing 104.11 and a functioning Classic? Would it work?

Aug 20, 2009 12:12 PM in response to Nature1953

Why not physically switch the hard drives within the G5 so the Leopard installation becomes the secondary?

I have never owned a Power Mac G5 and thus do not know the level of difficulty involved in my question, this was a trivial exercise with the Power Mac G4s. If you are able to physically rearrange the order of your drives, you wouldn't have to go through the exercise of two installations. You'd only have to deal with just the Tiger/Classic.

Aug 21, 2009 2:43 AM in response to Community User

Well this is all very interesting. But I still prefer the idea of just installing 10.4 over 10.5. Surely I’m not the only one to Omigod want his Classic applications back and thus abandon 10.5? I had access to them and now I don’t and I want them back. (No way am I forking out for new Quark, Photoshop, Illustrator, Streamline, Starry night, Freehand, Painter etc etc - not to speak of applications for which there is no Sys X version.)

The two drive idea was a good one if I had any use for 10.5 on that machine - but I don’t. I don’t really want 10.5 hanging around at all. As far as the use of the G5 goes, it brings nothing.

I guess I’ll just have to try it. So what’s the worst that could happen?

Aug 25, 2009 2:07 AM in response to Nature1953

Update and possibly a temporary measure. I have, as suggested by Texas Mac Man used the second drive in the G5. I cloned my dying Powerbook OS 10.4.11 onto the second G5 drive using Carbon Copy Cloner 3.2.1 http://www.bombich.com/software/ccc.html and I now have a dual OS machine 10.5.8/10.4.11.

It doesn’t answer my original question which is about downshifting from 10.5.8 to 10.4.11 but at least I can get at my rather large collection of OS9 applications.

I think in time, I’m likely just to migrate everything (like my email) to the 10.4.11 drive and just abandon the 10.5.8 one.

Aug 25, 2009 7:16 AM in response to Nature1953

Mechanically there wouldn't have been any issues.

The issues might have been with application versions, especially if you were trying to migrate preference settings and the like from a newer version of an application to an older. I don't think there is a list of applications that can be downgraded and you'd have to be very specific in asking in case somebody else here had tried, or you'd just have to experiment. For example, would your Mail addressbook from Leopard work in Tiger? I don't know.

You would have had to basically erase the drive and reinstall everything. There isn't a "downgrade and install" like an "upgrade and install". Then you'd have to copy things back on and hope app. versions didn't alter radically.

Aug 25, 2009 9:27 AM in response to Nature1953

Really depends how old your PowerMac G5 is, what you can do.
The serial number from Apple menu -> About This Mac -> More Info under the Hardware section will tell you the age of the Mac. It consists in the beginning of two alphanumeric characters for the manufacturing site, one number for the last digit of the year, and two numbers for the week of the year. I.e.

K8515, BG515 = the 15th week of 2005, or April 9, 2005. So we'll use the example above, which may not be an actual manufacturing site example, but the appearance will be similar.

PowerMac G5s released on or before:
K8514 and smaller - April 8th 2005 - Can use any User uploaded file* disk that doesn't say Update, DropIn, or OEM. Note this will not include iLife.

K8515 - April 8th through 29 April 2005 can use the same as above and the Update and DropIn discs. Note this will not include iLife.

K8517 - April 29th through October 30, 2005 can use the 10.4.3 and 10.4.6 retail installer disk that looks like the image above to install 10.4. Note, this will not include iLife.

K8544 - October 31, 2005 to April 2, 2006 can use the 10.4.6 retail disk that looks like the image above. Note, this will not include iLife.

K8614 - April 3, 2006 and later PowerMac G5s must use the PowerMac G5 installer discs that came with them to install 10.4 on the machine.

All PowerMac G5s, to restore Classic, must use these restore directions from their original installer discs to install Classic:

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=61802

you can copy over fonts, and known compatible extensions and control panels with the PowerMac G5, but they others may not work as well with it. Some drivers don't work with Classic either. You won't be able to boot 10.4 on your PowerMac G5. See my FAQ* on migrating to Mac OS X:

http://www.macmaps.com/macosxnative.html

To determine the age of your PowerMac G5,

- * Links to my pages may give me compensation.

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Aug 25, 2009 2:07 PM in response to a brody

Thanks for your very comprehensive answer and the link and the detail on your page.

The serial number of my G5 is CK409H04NV9 and I’m not sure how this translates to your information. Notwithstanding, cloning the OS 10.4.11/Classic from my old G4 laptop to the second drive of the G5 DOES seem to have worked (so far) and I’ve tried a number of my legacy OS9 applications which now do work when I start the machine on the now OS 10.4 drive. (The G4 laptop was where I had been electing to run various OS9 applications before it died a few weeks ago. Sometimes I can use it now and sometimes not.)

So not entirely satisfactory but it will do.

A number of the applications I use are just not available on OSX and others it is just not economic to replace.

Aug 26, 2009 8:02 AM in response to a brody

User uploaded file
I have one of those. D * thing cost me {GBP} 200 when I recently went looking for it too late. NOT a mistake I’m going to make again. I just ordered my free upgrade to Snow Leopard - free on the basis I bought the MacBook Pro recently. Even if I decide not to use it. (I hate version 1.0 of anything.)

Anyway. I ought to be able to install my general 10.4 on the G5 but you think I might have to strip the #1 drive before I do so and attempts to install it while the existing 10.5.8 is there are not going to work - you think.



I’m pretty certain I have no System X applications on the G5 that are 10.5 specific and won’t work in 10.4.11.

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