Apple Care?

This is the second IMac I have had this year and is a replacement for a faulty machine that I bought in April. It is starting to become very noisy and today I contacted Apple support about the problem. They were very helpful, and took me through the usual troubleshooting procedures. They then suggested that I should take it in to my local Apple Store to get it looked at or they could take it away for repair which could be for a period of 10 days. They suggested that the noise I am experiencing is not normal.

Now I use this machine daily for work purposes (I am self employed) and cannot be without it. My local Apple Store is a great distance, which would mean giving up almost an entire day to take it in. When I bought the machine I was at great pains to ascertain whether there was on site support with Apple Care. I was assured - on two separate occasions - that there was. The Apple Care Protection Plan states:

"The plan includes expert telephone technical support, global repair, onsite repairs for desktop computers".

There is no rider clause stating that this service only exists if you live in a major city. So why can I not have onsite support as stated in a Apple Care plan?

With my previous computer (a Dell) I purchased a 3 year warranty which did what it stated on the box and there was no problem for a technician to come to my house to fix the computer - which they did on two occasions over the three years. Why don't Apple live up to the expectation they create through the statement in the Apple Care plan?

Feeling very grumpy now.

Imac 2.93 Ghz 24", Mac OS X (10.5.7)

Posted on Aug 18, 2009 3:05 AM

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Aug 18, 2009 3:25 AM in response to need2know

Your AppleCare does entitle you to onsite support, and if you explain your situation and your distance from the nearest Apple store, I'm sure Apple will agree. However, you may live closer to an authorized Apple repair center, so you should look into that too. You can locate your nearest authorized service center here:

http://www.apple.com/buy/locator/service/

You should be aware, though, that even onsite repair doesn't necessarily mean that you will have your computer fixed that day. Sometimes parts need to be ordered, and this takes time. Unfortunately, repairs do mean that occasionally we must go without our computers for awhile. If you are self-employed and your livelihood depends on using a computer daily, you should consider perhaps investing in a second computer, maybe a notebook, to use as a backup.

Aug 18, 2009 3:48 AM in response to lakeshore

Thank you very much for clarifying that. I was told by Apple Support that someone could only come out if I lived in London, but the UK is slightly bigger than just London.

I have an old laptop but it is slow and not really fit for purpose. I guess I should buy a backup computer but didn't expect to have problems with an IMac which was one of my reasons for buying it. I think the first imacs were really reliable. I have one of the originals (belonging to my son and no longer in use). However I don't think that anything has ever gone wrong with it and it is absolutely silent.

Having had two of the new Imacs, both with problems isn't very reassuring and I wonder where Apple has started to go wrong. The OS is still good but I wonder if the manufacturing process is no longer as tightly quality controlled.

I digress - I have decided that I will wait and see whether the noise starts to have other implications; at the moment istat shows that everything seems to be running normally. As I am in the middle of a piece of research that must be completed within the next couple of weeks, I can't spare the time for now. I have some earplugs upstairs which may come in useful:-)

Thanks again for your reply.

Aug 19, 2009 6:28 AM in response to need2know

Apple's on-site repair seems to be very limited in the UK. I live in Sheffield and we never got them to come out, despite having AppleCare and it stating that they could! I would be wary of taking your machine to an authorised dealer - they are not as good at repairs as the Apple stores are. You might want to look into investing into a backup machine, a used Power Mac G5 or early MacBook Pro if you can finance it so that taking your primary machine into repair isn't so much of a hassle.

Download smcFanControl onto your iMac - it will tell you what speeds the fans are running at. And it lets you change the speed they run at as well.

Aug 19, 2009 8:54 AM in response to need2know

In the US, the "on site" clause includes verbage that your home must be within 50 miles of an authorized service provider. I know that because I was asked for my address to determine the distance after I had requested in home service. I don't know if the UK agreement includes the same verbage, but it could explain why the service isn't offered in outlying areas (areas more than 50 mi from an authorized service provider, which - most likely - would only be in more populated areas). You might want to ask about the distance requirements.

Aug 20, 2009 2:20 AM in response to need2know

Thanks very much everyone. I am a little disappointed to say the least, and I think that Apple should consider rewording their policy as it is very misleading. I will invest in another machine, although the reason I bought a Mac was because of their reputed reliability. My experience makes me wonder whether Apple are living on a past reputation.

Aug 20, 2009 11:44 AM in response to need2know

Modern Macs are assembled by low-paid workers by Foxconn and other OEM manufacturers in countries like China, Taiwain and Singapore. Apple outsources to reduce costs, just like every other computer hardware company. And we could easily question the reliability of the components and parts they use. The Sony batteries Apple use in their laptops are prone to failure. And the Matshita slot-loading optical drives used in all the Macs are also very unreliable. I am confident in saying that the current machines are not built like the older models were. I have a collection of old and new Macs, and the 80s/early 90s models are the best they made in terms of build quality, in my opinion.

Aug 21, 2009 12:27 AM in response to joshuacuk

Joshua, you have confirmed what I suspected and while, as you suggest, this outsourcing is common practice by computer manufacturers, Apple charges premium prices and you would hope offer more in terms of quality and reliability. The fact that the warranty, Apple Care Protection, does not deliver what it states in black and white, is surely a reflection on a company that no longer cares about its product or its customers.

Oct 29, 2009 10:51 AM in response to need2know

Well, if you've got in writing what you claim to have, you can expect that *you can force* Apple to live up to it. If not, you're just blowing smoke.

I'm not the one to advise you of your legal rights, especially since you're not here in the U.S. and apparently don't have the same AppleCare Plan that I have. But you do have rights that apply to the purchase of consumer electronics - do you not?

Read through more threads to find out how others in the UK have proceeded to get positive resolution to the problem you have, although I can't believe you haven't already read all the hundreds of threads about this from other UK'ers. I've read plenty of them, and I don't even have a horse in the race:))

Oct 29, 2009 11:57 AM in response to need2know

+The fact that the warranty, Apple Care Protection, does not deliver what it states in black and white....+

Ok, so in just a few minutes, I went to the online UK Apple Store and downloaded the European version in English that applies to your UK location. The applicable sections are as follows:

"1. Repair Coverage

c. Service Options. Apple may provide service through one or more of the following options:

(ii) Onsite service is available for many desktop computers if the location of the Covered
Equipment is within 50 miles/80 kilometers radius of an Apple authorized onsite service
provider located in (the UK). Apple will dispatch a service technician to
the location of the Covered Equipment. Service will be performed at the location, or the service
technician will transport the Covered Equipment to an Apple Authorized Service Provider or
Apple repair service location for repair. If the Covered Equipment is repaired at an Apple
Authorized Service Provider or Apple repair service location, Apple will arrange for
transportation of the Covered Equipment to your location following service. If the service
technician is not granted access to the Covered Equipment at the appointed time, any further
onsite visits may be subject to an additional charge."

So? I don't see the part you said. What was that you posted in the original post? Oh, yes:

/Quote/
The Apple Care Protection Plan states:

"The plan includes expert telephone technical support, global repair, onsite repairs for desktop computers".

There is no rider clause stating that this service only exists if you live in a major city. So why can I not have onsite support as stated in a Apple Care plan?
/Unquote/

Message was edited by: myhighway

Oct 31, 2009 4:24 AM in response to myhighway

My AppleCare Protection Plan - Getting Started Guide states:

"Peace of mind from Apple
The AppleCare Protection Plan extends the complimentary coverage on your Mac to three years of world-class support. The plan includes expert telephone technical support, global repair, onsite repairs for desktop computers, web-based resources, and powerful diagnostic tools (TechTool Deluxe from Micromat)."

It goes on to say:

"Hardware repair service
......One or more of the following service options may apply: carry-in service, direct mail-in service, onsite service and Do-It-Yourself parts (which allow you to service your own product)."

So, in two clauses in the guide it mentions onsite service. When I first enquired about on-site repair I was told by a rep from the Apple Sales Team prior to buying the machine- you don't have to worry, someone would come out to repair the Mac should there be any problems. I was again told the same story when I actually purchased the Mac from my local Apple shop.

In light of this, wouldn't you have bought the machine under the expectation that the Protection Plan entitled you to on-site repair?

Ann

Message was edited by: need2know

Oct 31, 2009 2:16 PM in response to need2know

+In light of this, wouldn't you have bought the machine under the expectation that the Protection Plan entitled you to on-site repair?+

Hmmm. I believe the "Getting Started Guide" from which you quote was contained in the AppleCare package along with the "Terms and Conditions." You evidently read it after purchasing AppleCare, although that language *is similar* to Apple's online explanations of AppleCare, so same difference.

But, in answer to your question - perhaps eligible, depending on your location, assuming the Store person was familiar with your location, but not entitled, and certainly not if I already knew or suspected I lived outside the area eligible for on-site service. (Perhaps you need to confront the manager of the store where someone gave you that promise or advice - this *is only 6 months* afterwards.)

But also no, because I did finally read the Terms and Conditions online at the Apple website prior to my first purchase of AppleCare. In 2004, when it was first offered to me when I purchased my first Mac at an actual Apple Store, I refused to buy AppleCare because just on prinicple I never buy service plans - and because at that moment I didn't really comprehend what all was included in AppleCare Protection Plan coverage. I didn't receive any sales pitch, just an offer which I refused.

Once I looked it up online and understood that so much was included, I've never since failed to purchase AppleCare (and recommend it to others) - not only for in-store diagnosis and help, as well as the excellent phone support extended from 90 days to 3 years, but also for the extended coverage that applies to not only a Mac but to accessories such as AirPort Extreme and Express base stations, Time Capsule, keyboard and mouse. While I don't know anyone who's needed to use all these things, I do know some who've received far, far more value from their coverage than it cost them.

Nevertheless, it's also been clear to me that the onsite service *might be available* if an Apple tech lives in your area, not just if there is an AASP located in your area. I've always assumed this meant such a tech calls upon you on the way to or from their work or work route, or that they may be an independent tech working "on call" for AppleCare. You might want to concentrate some of your inquiry with AppleCare personnel on these angles.

Maybe I'm wrong, but in your case I think it's worth an additional phone call to AppleCare, a complete explanation of your work needs situation, and an appeal that the person with whom you're speaking try to find some extra bit of help for you. Since in your OP you stated: "They suggested that the noise I am experiencing is not normal." - it seems that you need to emphasize that it might be best that a tech reviews the situation on-site before removing the iMac from your use. While it may very well not take 10 days till you have it back, it just might. (I had a logic board replaced 2 years ago - was told "10 days" but it was 2 days.)

While you need to be as friendly about it as possible, in the event of a negative response you shouldn't hesitate to ask to speak to a supervisor so that you can make the same direct appeal to that individual as well.

That said, have you considered the working environment? If the back of your iMac is parallel to a wall, and too close (less than 15 inches), it may be that a reverberation effect has developed that is actually magnifying all sounds that are usually limited to being emitted from the reverse side of the iMac - making them just loud enough to be picked up on the front side after they reflect back and forth (wall to iMac case) a few times.

Just to be sure, you don't have it positioned so that it's enclosed in any way, right, as you must allow for air circulation.

These sounds might be countered by moving the iMac slightly further away from whatever is behind it or by angling the iMac a bit to break down any reflective effect that might have been accidentally created by its placement.

Also, have you tried rotating the iMac stand 180 degrees so that the back of it is in front of you - and then comparing the differences? This direct study of the noise may help you understand how to counteract or at least temporarily limit the noise.
Best of luck:)

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