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  • 60. Re: .... may also be in the photos below
    belloq Level 1 Level 1 (25 points)
    paitkenhead wrote:
    UPDATE: In contradiction to my post above, I just imported a new folder of images into the library and it had an excellent matching rate. I wonder if the previous failure to match faces was because they were unnamed faces in photos in the library when I did the rebuild. Newly imported images have their faces identified with an excellent successful ID rate.

    The plot thickens.

    Similar to the above, and following up on my previous very positive IPLM report: At first, the match rate was excellent on existing photos. However, after about 50% of the pictures were positively matched, I was Rejecting 90% of the so-called matches. This is all with existing photos in the library. I have not yet attempted to import a new batch of pictures.

    Unfortunately, I am seeing that I am not getting matches on nearly 60% of the library pictures. There are A LOT of unnamed faces still in the database, which I see no recourse but to manually tag them and hope that future imports have a better match rate. I am certain that IPLM was a huge part of fixing the initial issues, though, and for that I am grateful and may just pay for the shareware even though I may never use it again. It's good to reward good programming like that.

    I agree with the previous poster who mentioned that something still seems wonky with the recognition algorithm because some of the bad matches are REALLY bad, and going through the unnamed faces shows me pictures taken in the same environment, angle, lighting and same person is not recognized. And this is an adult, not a child's face.
  • 61. Re: .... may also be in the photos below
    AnotherMacUser Level 1 Level 1 (30 points)
    belloq wrote:
    I agree with the previous poster who mentioned that something still seems wonky with the recognition algorithm because some of the bad matches are REALLY bad, and going through the unnamed faces shows me pictures taken in the same environment, angle, lighting and same person is not recognized. And this is an adult, not a child's face.


    I will echo that. I will often take 5 or 10 quick succession shots of my darling little child. Most of the shots are so similar that if you click through them, it's almost like animation. Yet after I tag the first, iPhoto can't even pick up the next one as a match even though they are so close. Yet, as we have all noted, it will make some really bad suggestions. Makes you wonder.

    If I were Apple, I'd build into the algorithm some way of seeing that the photos are taken close together chronologically; if you have ten timestamped photos taken 0.5 seconds apart, then there is a pretty good chance that the Face in photo 1 is the same as photo 2. I would lower the "match threshold score" for these.

    I'm not trying to nit-pick, I'm a computer programmer myself and I think I'd go insane trying to write face recognition software, so I'm not going to criticize. Overall, now that I have Faces working thanks to IPLM, I'm impressed overall. Although I still feel a little ripped off that I have to pay $19.99 for a 3rd party program to fix iPhoto. If I were Apple, I'd be embarrassed. Or I'd hire the people at IPLM to improve my software.
  • 62. Re: .... may also be in the photos below
    gerbsen Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    sorry, but why have you paid? i just downloaded the normal version, which is free, and that fixed my problem...
  • 63. Re: .... may also be in the photos below
    belloq Level 1 Level 1 (25 points)
    gerbsen wrote:
    sorry, but why have you paid? i just downloaded the normal version, which is free, and that fixed my problem...

    I know you didn't reply to me, but since I also mentioned paying for IPLM, my justification was that, even though the functionality for reimport is part of the "free" stuff, for me (and me alone), I feel that it saved me so many hours of "work" that I want to reward the author by paying for a license, just to say "thanks."
  • 64. Re: .... may also be in the photos below
    K.B. Level 2 Level 2 (230 points)
    I let it run for the last two days with one of my faces I'd already tagged a dozen or so pictures of selected and when I checked this morning it looks like iPhoto simply added every single face I had not identified including some that not even 1980's face recognition technology would have thought it was the same.

    But if I clicked back and went to another face to see if it had any suggestions and came back all the suggestions were gone.

    I am pretty disappointed with Faces so far but I am considering getting the 3rd party software to see if it helps...
  • 65. Re: .... may also be in the photos below
    Matt Bianco Level 1 Level 1 (15 points)
    Still waiting for Apple Care to respond after receiving the data capture from my system.

    I prefer not to use a third party solution to make a software I paid for weeks ago, work as advertised.

    I will report on any meaningful developments when they occur.
  • 66. Re: .... may also be in the photos below
    belloq Level 1 Level 1 (25 points)
    Matt Bianco wrote:
    I prefer not to use a third party solution to make a software I paid for weeks ago, work as advertised.


    I agree with that, very much. Apple needs to get their butt in gear. However, unless it's a really big thing and affects a lot of people, I doubt it will happen. (Ex: QTPlayer 7.x crashed EVERY time you try to open an mp4 video file which had audio tracks which were unspecified language. Totally allowed under the MPEG specification, but Apple never fixed it after thousands of people reported the issue.)

    I will report on any meaningful developments when they occur.


    I appreciate that. Thank you.
  • 67. Re: .... may also be in the photos below
    Clineschmidt Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    Same thing here - spinning gears forever. Hopefully Apple will fix this issue soon but just thought I would chime in as another user with face detection not working.
  • 68. Re: .... may also be in the photos below
    Terence Devlin Level 10 Level 10 (123,850 points)
    You know, given that rebuilding with iPhoto Library Manager has been successful for several people, suggests that the problem is within the Library. Any update to the Application will not fix what's already gone wrong in the Library.

    Regards

    TD
  • 69. Re: .... may also be in the photos below
    belloq Level 1 Level 1 (25 points)
    Terence Devlin wrote:
    You know, given that rebuilding with iPhoto Library Manager has been successful for several people, suggests that the problem is within the Library. Any update to the Application will not fix what's already gone wrong in the Library.


    I don't totally agree Terence. iPhoto is designed around an internal database (whether it is a flat file or a real relational DB, I do not know). As such, I believe there should be tools internal to iPhoto for detecting and fixing issues related to permissions, corrupt image files (as appears to have been the case with mine as the reimport db function in IPLM resulted in a dialog notifying me so), and database optimization. As with Faces detection, these tools can be easily run occasionally without user intervention, but can also prompt the user as necessary if an issue is found.

    But again, perhaps that is exactly the realm of the free/shareware programmers and Apple may be happy to leave it up to them.
  • 70. Re: .... may also be in the photos below
    Amator72 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    I am trying the Library Manager rebuilt option as we speak. Shall report if successfully. That is on the new Snow Leopard, if this matters.
  • 71. Re: .... may also be in the photos below
    Terence Devlin Level 10 Level 10 (123,850 points)
    The db is a SQL database.

    As such, I believe there should be tools internal to iPhoto...


    Should being the key word here.

    I have no idea what "Should" be there. But I do know that iPhoto.app updates will not repair a damaged library. They may indeed fix whatever caused the damage and prevent it recurring, but I've yet to see an update that undid it.

    Regards

    TD
  • 72. Re: .... may also be in the photos below
    DieselRanger Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    I rebuilt my library using iPhoto Library Manager and Faces worked for a little while. However, as soon as I quite iPhoto and later relaunched it, it was back to not finding faces and eating my CPU endlessly.
  • 73. Re: .... may also be in the photos below
    mevans7 Level 1 Level 1 (35 points)
    I still have the same problem. (Upgraded an iPhoto '08 lib to '09, on 1 1/2 yr old MacBook now running Snow Leopard -- but failed under Leopard, too).

    I downloaded and ran the iPhoto Library Manager. It crashed. I re-ran it. It crashed again.

    I followed Apple's instructions for rebuilding my iPhoto library. After that there were no faces at all. http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2638

    I deleted the "faces.db" and "faces_blob.db" files. Then started iPhoto. It took several hours (many times the displayed estimate) to rescan all faces. After that, I was able to identify faces, and iPhoto was properly making suggestions.

    After about 10 minutes of this, I got the eternally spinning icon of perpetual nonidentification at the "may also be in the photos below" tag. It's still not working. WE NEED A FIX FROM APPLE ON THIS.
  • 74. Re: .... may also be in the photos below
    Amator72 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    I rebuilt the library with the Manager and the faces feature started to work. I closed and opened the iPhoto app several times and it still works. The error rate was about 40%, but still it works. So it seems this method can help, though shame on Apple they can't handle this inside the app...
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