Breakpoint Stuck and can't delete track.

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Breakpoint Stuck and can't delete track.

Why does the last 10% of a project take 90% of the time...

I'm trying to finalize a DVD and am having a problem with the break point being stuck. No matter what I do, I can't change it. The track which the break point is set to is not used (except for the stuck break point) and cannot be deleted. A little background...

I'm using DVDSP 4.2.1 on a G5 1.8DP. The DVD is an interactive training video with 37 tracks (30 have a quiz at the end), 146 menus (mostly quiz questions), 126 scripts, and two languages (menus and audio tracks). Each track has a dozen or so chapter markers. The entire DVD is run through scripts with no direct links (menu button -> track).

I have checked every connection and every script and none are associated with the rouge track.

Early on I made a test DVD and had selected the 10th track as a break point. That was when there were less than 20 tracks. That DVD, if I can find it, appeared to work correctly. I continued to completion only to find that I could not change the break point.

I'm reasonably sure the cause for the DVDs not to run on any player is that the break point is too early and is putting more data on the second layer, which is not correct as far as I have found. There should be more on the first layer (0) than the second (1).

Now, I have moved the rouge track into the last VTS, which appears to have no effect on anything. I would think it would cause something to fail when Formatting the disc. There is no error in DVDSP, but the resulting DVD (using 3 brands of DVD+R DL and 3 different burners - I'm working on a 4th...)

One other odd thing. When I attempt to set any chapter marker to a break point on a track, it never has a black dot (as described in the manual). The setting in the inspector never sticks.

I really don't want to reconstruct this project. I have tried to remove the rouge track from one of the files inside the project, the same place the word "auto' (for automatic), but it made the DVDSP file corrupt.

I have tried to set the DVDSP to SL and burn the Video_TS using Toast without good results.

I'm up for any suggestions.

Thanks!

Jim

MBP 17, Mini 1.66, G4 1.42x2, G5 1.8x2..., Mac OS X (10.5), FCS 2, FCP 6.0.1, DVDSP 4.2.1

Posted on Aug 23, 2009 1:38 PM

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James Rietz Author

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Aug 23, 2009 2:37 PM in response to James Rietz

One more thing...

Using an different project, originally one track and one menu, the same thing happens. As a test, I had copied an older project and set a break point. No matter what I set the break point to, it always reverts to the initial setting.

Is this a DVDSP issue?

Thanks!

Jim

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Drew13

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Aug 23, 2009 2:37 PM in response to James Rietz

James Rietz wrote:
Why does the last 10% of a project take 90% of the time...

Sort of like the Laws of Gravity, it just is 😉 Are you getting any message when you try to delete the bad track such as conncection? Have you tried a couple of ways of deleting it? I have had a couple of times when using another method deleted it properly...

One other odd thing. When I attempt to set any chapter marker to a break point on a track, it never has a black dot (as described in the manual). The setting in the inspector never sticks.

If there is no black marker then there is not permissable layer break, which sounds like is what is happening. http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=9758763&#9758763

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James Rietz Author

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Aug 23, 2009 3:24 PM in response to Drew13

Drew13 wrote:
Are you getting any message when you try to delete the bad track such as conncection? Have you tried a couple of ways of deleting it? I have had a couple of times when using another method deleted it properly...

No message. I've tried to delete it from the Graphical view and List view (and VTS view...). Nothing happens when I hit delete key or contextual menu Delete.

One other odd thing. When I attempt to set any chapter marker to a break point on a track, it never has a black dot (as described in the manual). The setting in the inspector never sticks.

If there is no black marker then there is not permissable layer break, which sounds like is what is happening. http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=9758763&#9758763

Let me add that all chapters, all tracks are enabled (black not grey) and selectable in the popup in the Inspector when the disc is selected. On the track, checking the break point marker type for a valid chapter marker or a new one (green), the check mark does not stick.... thus no black dot on the marker.

Thanks!

JIm

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Drew13

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Aug 23, 2009 5:10 PM in response to James Rietz

James Rietz wrote:

Drew13 wrote:
Are you getting any message when you try to delete the bad track such as conncection? Have you tried a couple of ways of deleting it? I have had a couple of times when using another method deleted it properly...

No message. I've tried to delete it from the Graphical view and List view (and VTS view...). Nothing happens when I hit delete key or contextual menu Delete.

Did you also try Menu Bar - Edit - Delete in the graphical view?

I think there was someone else who had a similar issue and poked around prior posts. Did not see a resolution though (the threads I found the OP did not come back) There were some suggestions and I know there were a few others, but cannot dig them up right now.

http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=4636546&#4636546
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=1596836&#1596836

BTW did you look in the connections tab also? (I think you mentioned you did?)

Let me add that all chapters, all tracks are enabled (black not grey) and selectable in the popup in the Inspector when the disc is selected. On the track, checking the break point marker type for a valid chapter marker or a new one (green), the check mark does not stick.... thus no black dot on the marker.

Try clearing the markers (remove all break point indicators if you set any in the timeline like you described, and also check the pain in the neck track, that could be part of the issue on the deleting side of things. If I recall I ran into that once.)

Then build the project and do not format. Then go to format and when the dialog box comes up look at the drop down. (In other words if you are marking in the timeline and looking at the green markers there, don't.) In the dialog that comes up, click on advanced tab, then where it says break point, use the pulldown which will have all valid breakpoint markers dark/black, while non-valid Layer Break Markers will be faded) If no marker is black there is no marker in the right place, regardless of you use automatic or not.

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James Rietz Author

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Aug 24, 2009 5:00 AM in response to Drew13

Drew13 wrote:

Did you also try Menu Bar - Edit - Delete in the graphical view?

I did. No message.

I think there was someone else who had a similar issue and poked around prior posts. Did not see a resolution though (the threads I found the OP did not come back) There were some suggestions and I know there were a few others, but cannot dig them up right now.

http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=4636546&#4636546
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=1596836&#1596836

I had just did a fresh install on a G4 and did not update to the current 4.2.1 in hopes this issue was only in the current version. It didn't help. I've created a Save As project a couple of times.

BTW did you look in the connections tab also? (I think you mentioned you did?)

Yes... many times. Nothing is connected to the rouge track.

Try clearing the markers (remove all break point indicators if you set any in the timeline like you described, and also check the pain in the neck track, that could be part of the issue on the deleting side of things. If I recall I ran into that once.)

All chapter markers came from FCP and while I did try to add a break point only marker, it never set and it was removed.

I have removed everything from the rouge track more than once in trying this. When it is empty, the build fails because it is empty. Trying to create a dvd, I will add something short without any markers except Chapter 1, which can't be removed.

Then build the project and do not format. Then go to format and when the dialog box comes up look at the drop down. (In other words if you are marking in the timeline and looking at the green markers there, don't.) In the dialog that comes up, click on advanced tab, then where it says break point, use the pulldown which will have all valid breakpoint markers dark/black, while non-valid Layer Break Markers will be faded) If no marker is black there is no marker in the right place, regardless of you use automatic or not.

I do this each time. It is alway initially set (fresh) to the rouge track and I set it to Automatic. If I try to select any other chapter marker, it always reverts to the rouge track. The rouge track is alway at the top of the list.

I just deleted all chapter markers (except Chapter 1) from all tracks. All chapter markers and [Track} items in the

You have been very helpful with your suggestions! Could I ask you to try something? Make a copy of any DVDSP project and with the disc selected, set the Disc Information (Inspector) to Dual, OTP, and select any chapter marker any track. Save the project, quit DVDSP, re-open the project, and see if you can select any other chapter marker. Mine always reverts to the rouge track with each selection.

Thanks!

Jim

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James Rietz Author

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Aug 24, 2009 5:45 AM in response to James Rietz

I think this is a bug in DVDSP...

Using my G5 and DVDSP 4.2.1, I created a new project and added 1 video and audio asset with FCP chapter markers. I put the video and audio onto Track 1. I set a theme for the menu and added a Track 1 to a button. This should make a valid project.

I set the disc to be dual layer. I selected a chapter marker on Track 1 and set it to Dual-Layer Break Point. The marker now has a black dot. I selected a different chapter marker and set it to Dual-Layer Break Point and it has a black dot now and the previous one does not.

With the disc selected, I set the break point to Track 1 (no chapter). Now, no matter which chapter marker is selected, it always reverts back to Track 1 (no chapter). I can no longer set any chapter marker in Track 1 to Dual-Layer Break Point. The check mark will not stick.

Previous to this, I used Onyx to clear all logs and system / user caches, swap files, etc. to get a fresh start. I also have Macaroni set to run all scripts (day, week, & monty) and repair permissions every day.

Unless there is some way to change a resource in the project, I think I am doomed to start over. 😟

Jim

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James Rietz Author

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Aug 24, 2009 5:50 PM in response to James Rietz

I managed to fix this problem!

I opened the contents of the project and opened ObjectDataB (in the Resources folder) with Property List Editor (part of XCode) and set the property DualLayerBreak to "auto" without quotes.

I was able to delete the tagged rogue track and set the break point to Automatic!

Now, I just hope I can get the DL disc made without any other issues.

Thanks!

Jim

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