Server Admin Tools for snow leopard

Server admin 10.5.x does not run under !0.6. You got a problem.

Hi Alex

Sadly apple done list it here:

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3258

Hi Tim,

don't understand what you are trying to say. Sorry.

Alex

Apple's lists at http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3258 is for Snow Leopard Client. It would be helpful if they included Admin Tools 10.5 on that list.

Tim

According to the link I posted, you can use Server Admin Tools 10.6 to manage a 10.5 Server (except for certificates).

I have not had problems using the 10.6 Tools with a 10.5.8 server (besides Server Admin being slow).

From the [posted 10.6 documentation|http://images.apple.com/server/macosx/docs/Advanced Server_Adminv10.6.pdf]:

+The version of Server Admin included with Mac OS X Server v10.6 can be used to administer the latest version of Mac OS X Server v10.5. However, the current version of Server Admin isn’t compatible with administering DNS service or manage certificates in Mac OS X Server v10.5. Use the version of Server Admin that came with Mac OS X Server v10.5 on a computer running Mac OS X Server v10.5 or Mac OS X v10.5.+

As is typical with these big upgrades, the Server Tools are included with the DVD. (I don't see a download for this stuff yet, but I'd expect to see the Server Tools download kit will appear shortly in [the usual place|http://support.apple.com/downloads].)

If you're running Mac OS X Server in production, you'll have to evaluate your own tolerance for risk and for outages here; whether you're in a position to upgrade and to deal with any issues or bugs or incompatibilities that might appear in your environment after an upgrade, and whether you have a test environment where you can test the upgrade with your deployment. There is the usual collection of new software, some of which can trigger site-local problems even when everything is working as expected.

And part of the confusion here can arise (if you need to access stuff across (longer) version ranges) given you might end up needing either a VM-based solution and multiple client instances, or a server-local installation of the tools, or other similar approach. Look back to some of the similar discussions and issues between 10.4 and 10.5 for some related materials, too.

The Server Admin Tools 10.6 are not yet posted in the "usual place".

Fortunately Remote Desktop 3.3 seems to run fine in OS 10.6 and can be used to manage a server running 10.5.x on which I can launch Server Admin Tools (10.5.x).

An annoyance but not a show stopper.

Rich

The Server Admin Tools 10.6 are not yet posted in the "usual place".

Don't even expect to find them in the 'usual place' until 10.6.1 is released -if then. The only way to get them, today, is to buy a license.

Thanks. The Server Admin Tools 10.6 are at that link and seem to work just fine.

We're still left out in the snow on this. We can no longer use Server Admin 10.5.
This means we can only administer 10.5.8 servers, and 10.6 servers.
Anyone that's a sys-adminadministers multiple servers, this would be 10.4.x servers (Hopefully 10.4.11) 10.5.x servers (Sometimes if it's a "Critical" server and it's not broke, you don't mess with it. meaning leaving it at 10.5.4 because two other server updates to 10.5.5 you recently completed failed miserably) . You get the picture. Previously I kept multiple versions of Server Admin on my machine, 10.3, 10.5.3, 10.5.5, for compatibility, so now I'm dead in the water. And apple solution appears to be have multiple computer hanging around to complete this task. I'm not buying in.
they either now need to allow virtualization of 10.5 client, or get their act together with software compatibility.

Extremely disappointed, and will have to be going back to 10.5. Wonder if I can get a refund on my purchase.

Same problem here. Our operational (headless) servers, once the data processing for our satellite data are running on them, are left at the installation OS version. Like many installations, they are co-located at a remote facility. Not having a means to remotely manage these systems is a huge inconvenience. I am not a happy camper about this!

Yes, not having Server Admin work across a wider range of versions is a problem.

Work a strategy around upgrades. This involves application and server testing, deployment and upgrade requirements; the stuff that's often involved when running servers.

As for this case, either keep an old Leopard client box around for your Leopard Server (older than 10.5.8) boxes, or use Screen Sharing (via VNC or ARD) and run the Server Admin tools directly on the target server box, or use a VM to keep several versions of Mac OS X and Server Admin tools around on one client box, or get the servers migrated to 10.5.8 or more current software.

Regression testing and compatibility testing across longer version ranges for the Server Admin tools has got to be a large and expensive and complex project. That quantity of testing can be typical of enterprise software, but then you're paying substantially more for enterprise software.

No fun, certainly. But also a typical and standard limit across the "major versions" of Mac OS X, too.