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Backups from 10.5 are not visible in Time Machine after 10.6 install

8304 Views 57 Replies Latest reply: Sep 11, 2009 2:09 PM by ChinaKat RSS
  • Pondini Level 8 Level 8 (38,710 points)
    Ben Van Houtte wrote:
    Pondini

    how does the browse option work?


    See item #17 of the Frequently Asked Questions *User Tip.*
    24" iMac 2.66 GHz Intel; 4gb; 640 gb, Mac OS X (10.6), AEBS
  • Pagemakers2 Level 1 Level 1 (25 points)
    If I do that the “other time machine disks” are blank.
    MacPro 09/iMac/MacBook Pro 13/iPhone 3GS, Mac OS X (10.6)
  • Pondini Level 8 Level 8 (38,710 points)
    Pagemakers2 wrote:
    If I do that the “other time machine disks” are blank.


    If your backups are on a Time Capsule or USB drive attached to an Airport Extreme, wait a few moments. If they still don't show up, you may need to mount the sparse bundle by opening the TM drive in finder and double-clicking on the sparse bundle.

    If that doesn't help, please tell us about your setup -- we're flying blind without it!
    24" iMac 2.66 GHz Intel; 4gb; 640 gb, Mac OS X (10.6), AEBS
  • Pagemakers2 Level 1 Level 1 (25 points)
    Done that.. I’ll let you know how I get on...
    MacPro 09/iMac/MacBook Pro 13/iPhone 3GS, Mac OS X (10.6)
  • Pagemakers2 Level 1 Level 1 (25 points)
    Sorry.

    Make no difference. Still takes 2 logins to get to time machine.

    Let’s face it. It’s a SL bug that Apple need to fix.
    MacPro 09/iMac/MacBook Pro 13/iPhone 3GS, Mac OS X (10.6)
  • okedokie Calculating status...
    Pagemakers2 - did you try reverting back to version 7.3.2 firmware in your Airport utility? Some have had success with the original single band Time Capsules when we revert back.
    MacBook - iMac, Mac OS X (10.6)
  • Pumbaa_ Calculating status...
    I had the same issue I did a full reset of the TC, plus also followed B3 in

    http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2057525

    I made sure that when deselecting a drive I selected "none".

    So far all is working except I have a "Boot OSX" drive showing up.
     iMac 2.66 GHz Core 2 Duo 2 GB RAM 320 GB HD, Mac OS X (10.6), Time Capsule, AirPort Express
  • ChinaKat Calculating status...
    Please help. This morning I did the following:
    - backed up to Time Machine
    - installed the Snow Leopard upgrade (upgraded from Leopard)
    - installed the Snow Leopard patch 10.6.1

    I thought all went well, but later this morning I got an error that TM did not have room to make the next backup. Before today I'd get warnings that TM was deleting the oldest backup (which was fine with me) to make room for a new one, but I'm not getting that message anymore. TM will not back up.

    I looked in TM and can only see "now" and the backup from this morning. Additionally, TM displays a Finder window instead of my desktop.

    I looked through this thread but didn't resolve anything:
    - I did not rename my HD
    - When I option-click on TM to browse other TM disks, I only see the same HD, and if I go there I still see the same Finder in the TM, and just today's backup
    - I've rebooted many times
    - I've gone into and out of TM many times
    - I've logged out and back in as another user

    Any advice in layman's language would be welcome. I'm not super techy (that was the point of having the Mac!!) but I do know that I need my backups and am VERY unhappy that they seem to have disappeared. Thanks in advance.
    MacBook, Mac OS X (10.6)
  • ChinaKat Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    A few additional points of info:

    I also ejected the external drive I'm using for backups, and then remounted it. I restarted the external drive as well, and then rebooted the computer.

    When I click on the external drive's icon on my desktop, the Finder window that opens shows Backups.backupdb dated 04/24/09, which is the day I got the computer. So that gives me hope. But the only backup I can see in TM is the one from this morning.

    Again, any advice would be appreciated. Thanks.
    MacBook, Mac OS X (10.6)
  • Pondini Level 8 Level 8 (38,710 points)
    ChinaKat wrote:
    . . .
    - When I option-click on TM to browse other TM disks, I only see the same HD, and if I go there I still see the same Finder in the TM, and just today's backup


    Try starting with a Finder window. Press ShiftCmdC (or select your computer name in the sidebar), then try the +Browse . . .+ Option.

    Now is there a "cascade" of Finder windows, and/or anything in the timeline to the right?

    After installing SL and the upgrade, TM's next backup was a big one -- you have an entire new OS, so all of it had to be backed-up.

    Depending on how large your TM drive is, and how much data is on your internal HD, TM may have had to delete a lot of backups to make room for the new one.

    Click here to download the +Time Machine Buddy+ widget. It shows the messages from your logs for one TM backup run at a time, in a small window.

    Navigate to the failed backup, copy and post the messages here, along with the size of your TM drive and the amount of data on your internal.
    24" iMac 9,1 2.66 GHz Intel; 4gb; 640 gb, Mac OS X (10.6), AEBS
  • ChinaKat Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    The "cascade" shows "now", this morning's backup, and then half a dozen or so grayed out pages with no timestamp. The left hand side only shows now and this morning's backup as well.

    My external HD is 100 GB.

    I think I'm probably up to about 90GB of space used on the PowerBook, so the theory that this morning's backup was a massive one and it wiped everything else sounds legit. I honestly hadn't been paying a lot of attention to the backups before this morning so I may have been at this point before the upgrade?

    I'm having problems backing up now, though -- like I said earlier, I used to get a message that TM was going to delete the oldest one to make space, now it just says there's no room to do a backup and the backup fails.

    Here's the error message: +Starting standard backup+
    +Backing up to: /Volumes/Time Machine Backups/Backups.backupdb+
    +Event store UUIDs don't match for volume: Macintosh HD+
    +Node requires deep traversal:/ reason:must scan subdirs|new event db|+
    +Starting pre-backup thinning: 8.79 GB requested (including padding), 5.29 GB available+
    +No expired backups exist - deleting oldest backups to make room+
    +Error: backup disk is full - all 0 possible backups were removed, but space is still needed.+
    +Backup Failed: unable to free 8.79 GB needed space+
    +Backup failed with error: Not enough available disk space on the target volume.+


    BTW, before attempting the backup, I also tried editing the list of files TM wouldn't back up -- I've set it to:
    /Applications
    ~/Library/Audio
    ~/Library/Mail/Downloads
    ~/Movies
    ~/Music

    Which comes to about 40GB all told.

    So, I'm stuck here because now that there's been an upgrade, TM wants to do a full backup instead of an incremental one? I guess I don't know how to go forward from here. Do I have to buy a new external drive? Or is there something I can do (at least for a little while) to continue to use the existing drive?

    Thanks.
    MacBook, Mac OS X (10.6)
  • Pondini Level 8 Level 8 (38,710 points)
    ChinaKat wrote:
    The "cascade" shows "now", this morning's backup, and then half a dozen or so grayed out pages with no timestamp. The left hand side only shows now and this morning's backup as well.

    My external HD is 100 GB.

    I think I'm probably up to about 90GB of space used on the PowerBook


    Your TM drive is much too small. It varies greatly, of course, depending on how you use your Mac, but TM generally needs 2-3 times as much space as what it's backing-up. You're at about 1.1 times.

    I'm having problems backing up now, though -- like I said earlier, I used to get a message that TM was going to delete the oldest one to make space, now it just says there's no room to do a backup and the backup fails.
    . . .
    +Starting pre-backup thinning: 8.79 GB requested (including padding), 5.29 GB available+


    TM was only trying to back-up your new OS, about 7 gb (it adds about 20% for temporary workspace it will need on the drive -- the "padding" in the message). Since TM won't ever delete your last backup, even that won't fit.

    Your only short-term option now is to erase the TM disk (via Disk Utility, in your Applications/Utilities folder) and let TM start fresh. Run the first backup with the exclusions you just added (because 120% of what's on your HD may not fit), then remove them and run another. That will at least get you a full backup.

    Then get a larger disk. Soon. Get at least 300 gb; preferably a 500 gb.

    Once you have TM working on the new drive, erase the old one and use CarbonCopyCloner, SuperDuper! or the like to make a "bootable clone." Update this at least weekly. This is a bit like wearing both a belt and suspenders, but remember that all disk drives fail; some sooner, some later. With two separate, independent backups, you're doubly protected, especially if, like me, you think Murphy was an optimist!
    24" iMac 9,1 2.66 GHz Intel; 4gb; 640 gb, Mac OS X (10.6), AEBS
  • ChinaKat Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    OK, that all makes sense. Thanks for your thoughtful response, it's appreciated.
    MacBook, Mac OS X (10.6)
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