Awful Color on Epson 2200 after Snow Leopard Upgrade

I'm an experience photographer and printer who has done extensive printing on the Epson 2200 under previous versions of the OS using CS4. As a beta tester for Snow Leopard I had used it extensively on another machine before the release, so I did not hesitate to upgrade my photography production computer as soon as it was available this past weekend.

The problem I now have is that print colors are all wrong - very greenish (bluish?), which is typically a symptom that nothing is managing the printing out of PS. (Reddish/purplish prints are often a symptom that color is being managed by both PS and the printer's own software.) I have changed nothing else in my workflow or printing process besides doing the upgrade - I have a solid workflow process that works consistently and accurately, or should I say it DID work so until the upgrade.

I have installed the updated 2200 drivers from the Epson web site. I have removed and re-added the printer in the preferences panel. Still no joy.

Help? Advice? Anything to try that I haven't thought of yet?

Thanks in advance,

Dan

iMac 24" (aluminum), Mac OS X (10.6)

Posted on Aug 31, 2009 9:13 PM

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Sep 1, 2009 1:32 AM in response to danmitchell

Dan,

Just upgraded to Snow Leopard and noticed the exact same issue with my 2200... My guess is that the Gutenberg drivers are placeholders until EPSON posts newer, 10.6 compatible drivers online for download... Even with Rosetta I cannot find my original, color correct drivers...
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Sep 1, 2009 12:27 PM in response to BarryGrimes

Yes, at this point it appears that those using the Epson 2200 are basically hosed. That'll teach me to upgrade to a new OS... 😟

I can get the thing to print by turning of color management entirely (e.g. - not having photoshop manage colors) and then using the Epson printer software manage color with the photo-realistic setting. It is not a very good solution - the print colors do not match those produced by letting PS manage color - but in an emergency it produces a print that is not grossly green/blue.

Dan
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Sep 3, 2009 11:58 AM in response to danmitchell

what seems to be working for me after testing a few prints.

1. deleted epson related folders in /Library/Printers.
2. turn off and disconnect printer (usb)
3. reboot
4. install epson11832 driver (for 10.4)
5. install epson13044 (common updater for 10.5 & 10.6)
6. reboot
7. reconnect printer and turn on, the printer self-installed and appeared in the printers list.
8. recalibrate monitors using an i1 display2 (imatch 3.6.2) had to install rosetta for imatch to run.

tested a few prints using pscs4, two color prints (ilford gallerie smooth perl and epson premium glossy) and one black and white (hahnemuhle bamboo.) the results do not have a noticeable cast to them.
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Sep 3, 2009 7:04 PM in response to matt.maier

Matt,

I just followed your exact steps to the tee and I just made another absolutely awful print using my tried and true color profiling method on my 2200.

(Which entails:)
1. Soft proof with Epson Lustre profile in PSCS4, tweak it lightly to match the original with adjustment layers.
2. Have photoshop manage colors with the Epson Lustre PK profile selected, Relative Colorimetric, BPC on.
3. Turn OFF color management in the epson driver, select Lustre paper, high quality, Photo 1440 dpi, High Speed off.

This has process has yielded multiple highly accurate prints with the R2400 I use at work, and previously with 10.5.x with my 2200. I am still getting absolute crap out of my 2200 on Snow Leopard. Calibrated my monitor yesterday with a Spyder2, and ran a nozzle check, so it has to be the driver.

I was rocking out great 2200 prints for years, but now I can't print squat! I am an artist and need prints to do my work, so far I am dead in the water .... anyone else have any suggestions?

The 2200 is not even on the list for upcoming snow leopard drivers .... so I'm not counting on Epson.

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Sep 3, 2009 9:08 PM in response to risotto

Status Update:

I found some info on this huge problem. Someone suggested instead of choosing "no color adjustment' in the 2200 preferences, to use "color controls" and change the gamma to 2.2 (as SnowLep is now using 2.2, instead of 1.8). I tried this and my print came out a LOT better than before. However, it is still pretty far from what I need. There is still a drastic magenta-pink cast in my orangeish-yellow. Closer, still no cigar.

The other thing I have tried is the GutenPrint 5.2.4 drivers. The number of options in the print settings is incredibly overwhelming and undocumented. After trying to set it up several times for Lustre Photo paper, no color correction, gamma 2.2 (there are a 32 'PAGES' of settings). I get nothing but ridiculously awful pink solarized prints. Not even close to close.

Is there a secret formula to setting up gutenprint with the 2200 so that it works like the epson driver with no color correction and the proper gamma? This might be a solution if Epson refuses to update the drivers for the old but loved six year old 2200.
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Sep 3, 2009 10:01 PM in response to matt.maier

Thanks for offering a possible solution - but it doesn't work if one prints in the recommended way out of PS CS4 and lower. The normal and correct way to print is (as the person following your post mentioned) to select "Photoshop Manages Colors" by selecting this option in the first print dialog box, click the "Print" button at the bottom left to bring up the next "Print" dialog window, use the "Color Management" tab and select "No Color Adjustment."

The awful print is just as it was before the process you described, I'm afraid.

Are you perhaps choosing "No Color Management" in the first print window and then "Color Controls" from the "Color Management" dialog in the second window? This turns color control over to the printer, which is not the best or most accurate way to print. With this option I do, as I mentioned earlier, get a print that is "less awful" than the horribly bad dark green/blue and unusable version when I print the correct way - but the colors are not right. The effect may be subtle if you are not very critical about printer output, but I'm comparing a print made a few days before the upgrade to the best I can get using this second-best method and the print is noticeably bluer and darker - not consistent with the print output I need.

The Gutenberg option sounds interesting, but I have yet to hear of anyone getting a simple and consistent method of precisely duplicating the results using the normal "Photoshop manages colors" approach. And with high quality printing, consistent and predictable results are absolutely critical.

One person reported online that he had contacted Epson, whose representative told him to "get a new printer - do you expect us to support a printer that is six years old!?" Very bad attitude and awfully poor customer support if true. If I ask Epson today how long their new printers will last, do you think they'll tell me "no more than six years after the printer was first introduced?" And don't forget that most of the prints were not purchased on the day of introduction "six years ago," but were purchased perhaps several years after that. If this continues to play out this way, one would be very wise to reconsider purchasing any Epson printer but the very newest model right after introduction - and it might be a better idea to compare support with other manufacturers of excellent photo printers. HP photo printers are every bit as good as Epson and Canon has been doing an increasingly fine job recently.

It also doesn't help that the Epson site is completely silent on the subject of this and many other printers relative to Snow Leopard. I would not like it, but if they really don't intend to support the 2200 and other printers, where is the list of those that they no longer support? (Apple issues such a list from time to time.)

Dan
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Sep 4, 2009 8:50 AM in response to danmitchell

Dan,

The person following my post saw actually the first post of mine. I am used to the proper way of setting up color management (Photoshop manages colors with the paper profile, NO color management in the driver). I have made hundreds of Epson prints on the 2400 and 2200 (10.5.x) and this way and it is the only way to roll for truly accurate prints.

I read about turning on Color Management in the driver in order to correct the gamma shift in Snow Leopard in another thread and decided to give it a whack. I know it totally violates the rules, but I figured it was worth a try. Definitely an improvement in prints, but nowhere near where I was in Leopard. I am very picky about color, and after I had my workflow completely figured out, now it is completely out the window.

Epson's driver support has been and still is DISMAL. The 'new' Leopard drivers (8/24/09) posted for the 2400 (which I use at work) are actually not new at all. They still require Rosetta (G5 Emulation) to run. Thankfully we have not upgraded the printing computer to SL, which is a G5. How long has it been since Apple switched to Intel? Epson has not gotten that memo yet.

If I heed Epson's advice to "get a new printer" it's going to be a Canon. I am tired of crappy Epson support, and they will no longer be getting money from me for their overpriced inks to refill my thirsty 2200.

I just wish Canon made a good 13" pigment printer that supported roll paper. I have the auto-cutter on the 2200, and when it behaves, makes roll printing easy and painless. I also have a predisposition for very wide prints, so roll paper is a huge advantage.

The one sure fire way to keep using the 2200 is to boot off of an external or a partition with Leopard on it. This is a huge pain, but at least I can drain the (currently almost full) inks out of my printer before getting a new Canon.

As far as Epson supporting older printers, IMO they should support any printer they still sell OEM inks for. I can find Epson 2200 ink at almost every photo store in New York, so obviously people are still using the printer. Six years is not really that long in printer life, and support should not be dropped for a printer that ink is still produced for.
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Sep 4, 2009 10:20 AM in response to risotto

Risotto:

Thanks for the follow-up, and many good points there.

Epson has a bit of a history of being reluctant to commit to full Apple support, which is very ironic given the heavy use of their printers by photographers who, by and large, are very big fans of Apple computers. Your point about requiring rosetta to use their updaters/drivers is a good one - it is way past time for that sort of thing.

I'll cut them some slack if they do the following: make some kind of public statement (besides the current unsatisfactory and incorrect ones) about their support of their own printers under Snow Leopard, that they then get on this and solve the problem in a matter of weeks at the outside, and that they correct the wrong and useless information currently at their "support" web site.

While it is my experience that I can use Epson printers with my Mac (until now at least) to produce very high quality photographic prints and that no one else produces printers that do a better job at this...

... there are now credible alternatives from both Canon and HP and if Epson can't see fit to support their Mac-using customers I'll switch. I know others who have and who are quite happy with the results they are getting.

Dan
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Sep 4, 2009 10:34 PM in response to danmitchell

I had the same problem. I emailed Epson and got the response below. I was able to print one picture and then got a service life error. Ink Pads need to be replaced or reset the ink pad counter using Epson's Ink Pad Reset Utility which is ONLY available for Windows computers. The suggestion is to borrow a PC and reset the ink pad counter - just another example of very poor Epson support for the Mac user . My ink jet is dead so are all future purchases with Epson. -Roger

======Epson SL Support Info=========
Please check our Mac OS X Snow Leopard Support page for the latest driver availability and support information.

US: http://epson.com/support/snowleopard

Canada: http://epson.ca/support/snowleopard

Title: "Rosetta must be installed" Message During Epson Driver Install
Link: http://epson.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/epson.cfg/php/enduser/popupadp.php?p_faqid=21721&pcreated=1251148253

Title: Snow Leopard Support
Link: http://epson.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/epson.cfg/php/enduser/popupadp.php?p_faqid=21645&pcreated=1246558048

Title: Parts Inside Your Printer Message
Link: http://epson.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/epson.cfg/php/enduser/popupadp.php?p_faqid=2818&pcreated=1203950759

Title: Unix or Linux Drivers
Link: http://epson.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/epson.cfg/php/enduser/popupadp.php?p_faqid=20308&pcreated=1203954133

Title: Computer Freezes when Installing Epson Product Software from the CD in Snow Leopard
Link: http://epson.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/epson.cfg/php/enduser/popupadp.php?p_faqid=21729&pcreated=1251303660
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Sep 5, 2009 12:13 PM in response to danmitchell

Add me to the list of frustrated Epson 2200 users. This will be the last Epson I'll ever use and will take my next large-format printer purchase to another company. The amount we spent on this printer wasn't trivial. For an Epson representative to dismiss this 6 year printer is typical of Epson's poor customer support.
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Sep 5, 2009 1:57 PM in response to danmitchell

Dan, what version of Leopard were you running?

For 10.6, I nuked the built-in 2200 driver and installed fresh drivers from Epson as noted by Matt. Getting the same dark, green-blue results Dan describes out of Photoshop CS3 (otherwise running fine), and good color but too dark (gamma?) out of InDesign CS3, which is known to have Epson printing issues in Leopard.

Then things got interesting. Fired up my 10.5.8 clone from last week and printed the same files, same settings. Identical results. ???

Tried the G5, same Epson driver (3.09; latest), same CS3, but 10.5.5. Photoshop looks right, InDesign just like PS on the MacBook Pro. Settings made in the driver dialog hold on the G5, but not the MBP, incidentally. I seem to recall much wailing and gnashing of teeth around the 10.5.6-10.5.7 mark about Epson drivers breaking.

Looks like a fun weekend of testing and searching ahead. I'll report anything interesting.
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Sep 5, 2009 3:29 PM in response to Nancy Raymond

I tried a new user in 10.6 and whaddaya know, Photoshop printed just like InDesign. Which is to say, good color but wrong gamma (too dark).

I deleted my ColorSync Utility prefs (~/Library/Preferences/com.apple.ColorSyncUtility.plist), and fixed the green-blue thing. Now for the gamma...

So what does the ColorSync Utility do, besides show what profiles are installed? I can't change any defaults, or add any useful system-wide assumptions for un-tagged files like I could in OS 9.

Sigh.

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Sep 5, 2009 6:15 PM in response to danmitchell

For what it's worth......

I use an Epson 1280. The system is the same, but some of the names change to protect the guilty!

I've been using Photoshop for many years. Lightroom since it's been out. I've always used a "Let Photoshop Manage Color" type workflow. I get the same grenish results as people have been complaining about, whether using the Gutenprint system or the Epson drivers (Updated with the common updater). I seem to remember that Lightroom had problems if color profiles (paper/printer profiles) were installed AFTER Lightroom. But that could just be my memory. Obviously, the color chain from either CS4 or Lightroom to the printer is broken. But how I am not quite sure right now. I may try re-installing Lightroom to see if that makes a difference.

I have been able to get fairly close color matching in both LR and CS4 with either the Gutenprint or Epson print system. But ONLY using a Colorsync workflow. (Letting the printer manage color and choosing colorsync as the method). Interestingly, a lot has been said about dark printing, but with Colorsync I see the opposite, prints are a little bright. More so with Gutenprint. Either system works close enough that until someone (Epson, Adobe, or Apple) fixed it so managing color works in CS4 or Lightroom, I can at least get pretty good prints. Gutenprint prints a bit bright, but it's such a feature rich system that tweaking that shouldn't be too much trouble. Still, it's not a good system (translated, simple, easy one or two click system) for most users. There's just too much to screw up and too much to set. But for someone willing to invest the time it will work fine. Colorsync printing produces results that are a bit flat, but seem to have pretty close colors.

Soooooo, until the color matching system gets fixed right, my suggestion for people is to let the printer manage color and use Colorsync. If I come up with better answers I'll post them here, and hope others will do the same.
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