Snow Leopard not showing computers on network

Hi all,

I'm not sure what's going on here.

I have 3 computers and 1 nas currently turned on in my network.

1 is vista
1 is my mac pro 10.6
1 is my mac mini 10.6 connected via wifi
Nas is Droboshare

I can ping all machines.
I can mount shares via cmd+k if I know the ip address and share
I can't see any of the systems in my shared are
if I do a Shift cmdk to open the network panel, I don't see any computers, nor do I see any kind of workgroup listing. I know that all of the computers are set for the same workgroup. All systems are also pointing to my DNS, which has forward and reverse entries for all the NAT'd systems

Now I have another mac, a laptop. At work, it's not sitting on a domain controller, but I can open the network view in finder and I can see all of the domains as well as any workgroups in the network. I bring it at home, and I was able to see both macs (although not the pc) in the shared listing on the left pane of the finder.

The Vista machine can see all devices on the network (the Macs as well as the droboshare)

Any tips/suggestions welcome.

Early '08 Mac Pro, Mac OS X (10.6)

Posted on Sep 3, 2009 8:22 AM

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Sep 6, 2009 11:55 PM in response to Nethfel

I've been using Leopard since 10.5, and the issue began then, it is NOT a new issue in Snow Leopard.

Basically the issue is 10.5 and 10.6 is that without a dedicated WINS server in your network, the Finder will generally never "detect" windows machines, especially if they are only Vista.

On occasion when I have a XP machine on, it seems to bridge whatever protocol version issues exist, and machines appear, but only temporary.
Last year when investigating this, I found that when Apple went from 10.4 to 10.5 they made some changes which broke this, as it did and still does work on Tiger machines. At the same time, Windows Vista onwards uses a newer network browsing protocol in the first sense (NTLMv2), and only falls back to traditional SMB if all else fails, but for some reason 10.5 and 10.6 still don't play ball nicely. I've tried forcing Vista to use the old one to no avail. Windows 7 RTM seems to give the same results.

I find it extremely odd that Apple doesn't know of this, as there are countless threads and blogs on this, ever since 10.5 was released.

Sep 7, 2009 2:37 AM in response to iRATLSNAKE

Given that I, along with others, seemed to have this working in Leopard (after making sure the settings were correct) - including both Windows XP and Vista - it is surely more likely that those who were having problems in Leopard had some settings that were setup wrong somewhere along the line?

Whereas now, in Snow Leopard, those same settings don't appear to be working.

Sep 7, 2009 6:04 AM in response to iRATLSNAKE

That thread you linked to just confirmed my own findings. If you set-up your Vista/7 machine to be master browser, your Windows Shares won't show up in Finder.

However, in Leopard I had my Mac set up as the master browser, and my Windows shares showed up in Finder every time my Windows PCs were switched on.

As tomleedsuk pointed out, those same exact settings that were working in Leopard now no longer work under Snow Leopard. So it is a Snow Leopard problem for me. Although, I'm not saying there weren't problems with networking in 10.5.

Sep 7, 2009 7:45 AM in response to Paul Woodford

This may have been an issue in Leopard for some folks. It was fine for me. But now I believe this is going to effect the common user in Snow Leopard and explode into something Apple doesn't want to have happen. I certainly hope my only option is to un-install SN and reinstall Leopard and all it's upgrades. Yikes!

Thank you for the links to the Apple support register. I certainly will register there as well as I already have by phone. Why do they keep insisting they don't know anything about this problem if it is all over the web?

Even in this day of electronic publishing you can't disconnect someone from their printer and certainly not from their file networks. What are they thinking? A Mac is all you need?

Sep 9, 2009 6:56 PM in response to OysterOyster

Update note:

The weirdest thing happened today, and I don't understand it.

My network "magically" started working. I see all 3 systems in my finder, both on my sidebar and in my network view - my wifes (Vista ultimate 64), my droboshare, my home theater Mac.

I need to note - per this entire thread, until today I HAD NOT SEEN A SINGLE MACHINE in my sidebar, EXCEPT for on occasion I could get to see the home theater mac.

What has changed? well - only three things changed today:

1) my droboshare got accidentally power cycled (due to problem #2 when I was yanking power cords to stop something)

2) My Brother 6490cw smoked today (yes, it was smoking with the wonderful electronics burning smell - hence why I was yanking cords - I thought I had grabbed the right one first, but I had accidentally unplugged the droboshare). I have replaced the 6490 with a new 6490 (I had it for less then a month, so the place I bought it took it back and swapped it out for a new one) it is configured on the same IP address as the old one was with all network settings set)

3) During the unplugging period, I had disconnected the wifiN bridge that connects my main network to my PS3 and Mac mini Home Theater system.

I don't know which - if either - of the three things that were changed, prior to changing could have affected my network effectively breaking it. The funny thing is for some reason, my mac mini (the home theater mac) has somehow taken over being browse master.

Suspicions on the drobo: The Droboshare refused to see any machine except for my wifes as a browse master. Although I can't imagine that breaking browse master elections, I guess anything is possible. The Droboshare runs a stripped down linux implementation - I assume with a 0 or close to it computer rank setting for browse master elections

Suspicions on the printer: What if the printer was sending out some sort of packets that it normally wouldn't / shouldn't that was causing some sort of strain on the network or interference with smb networking? I can't imagine it happening, but I guess anything is possible, I'm not sure how its print server is designed to work - I know it has entries for WINS - but the printer did smoke, although I don't know exactly what part of it smoked, something did, and where the smoke came out was near the network jack (although the entire display was blank and none of the buttons that light lit up).

Suspicions on Mac Mini or WIFI bridge: I guess it's possible that the mini was causing browser contention preventing everything from working, then when disconnected everything else cleared, then when reconnected it managed to get elected to master. Wifi bridge: well, all it does is bridge the two sides, the PS3 is (and has been) off for over a week before SL was released, and is still off. The only other thing on the bridge is my DirecTV box I guess it could have been doing something - I know it is viewed as a network media source for the PS3 and windows.

Questions one might ask:
Did I change anything on the Mac Pro today?
No, no changes since my last set of comments.
Did I change anything on the Mac mini today?
No, I haven't even switched on the TV to watch anything today so I haven't even looked at the minis interface nor back end.
Did I change anything on the vista box?
Nope, wifes box is as it has been for several months.
Have you powercycled ANYTHING?
* printer - replaced
* Droboshare
* Wifi bridge

Like I've basically implied, too many things have occured today that I can't determine exactly what was causing the issue breaking network browsing. But it does appear to be working at this moment in time. If I see it break again, or can narrow down where the issue was I'll post back here again.

Sep 10, 2009 7:55 AM in response to Nethfel

Thought I would jump in. I have an iMac, MacBook, iPhone, iPod Touch, and a MacBook Air all on the same network at home with a Time Capsule as the main base station and an airport express connecting to the stereo for music streaming and this also extends the wireless network. I have all computers updated to SL and all connect to the network and internet fine. Home sharing via iTunes is working as well. My problem is getting the computers to connect to each other for file sharing. This was working fine before but now I cannot get the computers to connect to each other even when using the IP addresses. They show up in the side bar of the finder but will not connect to each other.
Any help or suggestions would be appreciated.

Sep 10, 2009 8:20 AM in response to shadowrider

Although your issue is similar, it's a bit different because you are using all Macs on the network instead of a mixed network using Samba and the systems belonging to a workgroup.

But - my first thoughts on your issue:

1) Firewall - either changed, or was turned on when it was off when you moved to SL land. Check if the firewalls have changed. If they are on and you can't figure out what's wrong (and as long as you have another firewall between you and the internet) you can try turning the firewall off temporarily on a system that is offering a share and the system that wants to remote access that share and see if that fixes the problem - if it does, then your firewall is blocking traffic required for the sharing protocol you are using (SMB/AFP/NFS/etc)
2) Check in the sharing tab, make sure they all sharing via the same protocol and that they are actually sharing a folder. If sharing is turned on, and the firewall is set to pass sharing (or the firewall is turned off) you may want to try to cycle file sharing off and on and see if by restarting the sharing processes you're then able to properly connect to your other machines.

Sep 10, 2009 3:02 PM in response to Nethfel

Tried toggling the FireWall and still get this error message.
The Server "MacBook" may not exist or it is unavailable at this time. Check the server name or IP address, check your network connection and then try again.
It won't even let me attempt as a different user. Very strange.

I apologize if this is the wrong thread. I realize it is a bit different but you would think they would just connect like before. I am able to access time capsule or time machine from every computer.

Sep 10, 2009 6:49 PM in response to shadowrider

No worries, you're not offending me or anything by adding to this thread, I'm just concerned you won't get the appropriate attention your issue needs. In theory, since you are using all Macs you should be able to have File Sharing with just AFP selected (although I don't know what protocol time capsule uses, I don't have one) and be able to see other macs on your network and access them...

Sep 11, 2009 8:19 AM in response to Nethfel

It appears I have solved my problem. I am now able to access the iMac from the MacBookAir and visa versa. I seem to have triggered something when I went into preferences on the iMac and toggled the "Share files and folders using FTP button under options. After doing this I was presented with a window asking to connect as a guest or registered user. I will try the MacBook next. At least I'm connected for file exchange on 2 machines so 2/3s of the way there.

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