L9 x Snow Leopard x Midi = Disaster

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L9 x Snow Leopard x Midi = Disaster

I'm running L9 x Snow Leopard on a 2.2 GHz MB Pro with 3 GB ram. I use the Apogee's Duet and M-Audio's Oxygen 8v2.

I've been having extremely bad issues with Logic 9 x Snow Leopard from day one. I installed L9 after upgrading the OS and it has been downhill from there. I recently upgrade from LE 8.0.2 which ran smoothly. Among others, here are the some of the issues I've been having.

1) Audio Midi Setup is dead. It will not load. At all. The midi setup screen hangs and eventually gives this error message: "The MIDI Server can't be opened...please try checking 3rd party drivers..."
2) Logic won't open. It hangs when checking midi drivers and eventually stops responding (app not responding errors are normal)

* I can't understand why I'm having driver issues when the Oxygen v2 and Duet are supposedly class compliant. In fact, /Library/Audio/MIDI Drivers is completely empty. The only midi configuration that shows is a default one.

For the times (as many as 30 in one sitting) I've tried to get Logic to open and it does this is what I get:

3) Midi timeouts constantly
4) "Memory low" errors when activity monitor shows I have 90% idle memory.
5) "Disk is too slow (Prepare)" errors
6) "Deep architecture! Please unpack some folders" error messages when not a single folder has been packed.
7) System overload message on playback
8) An error message, that I cannot recall completely that read, "this should never happen!" (???)

I've tried nearly everything.

* I've tried freezing tracks in order to reduce my problems. That only made matters much worse.
* I've trashed L9's pref file 50 times or so
* repaired permissions = nothing
* ran the disk utility from the install disk to check my drive; it's working fine
* reinstalled the OX
* reinstalled L9
* deleted audio components cache
* updated Pace Interlok extensions

Nothing works.

I've called Apogee and they didn't know how to fix the problem but offered to send a replacement Duet. The Apple tech I called didn't have a solution either.

I'm in radio and the turn-around window for production is extremely short. The combination of L9 x Snow Leopard has been nothing but unreliable and literally unusable for me. If anyone has any idea on how to fix what's happening, please, offer your suggestions. I'm losing $ by the hour.

Sorry for the long post. Thanks for your time.
-Xavier

Mac OS X (10.6)

Posted on Sep 7, 2009 11:06 AM

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Sep 9, 2009 1:13 PM in response to al smithee

I can't be much help, sorry, as my only advice is to revert to 10.5+ and LP 8.0.2

ran the disk utility from the install disk to check my drive; it's working fine

Is this a separate project drive? How is it formatted?

I am running LP9 and 10.6 (to test only) and have seen many of the issues you mention. To test properly, I'm using the same machine, accessing the same projects from the same recording HD with the same converters. The only difference is the separate 'testing' HD (identical to the other HDs) containing a fresh OS and a fresh installation of LP9

I haven't found your items 1 - 3.

4) "Memory low" errors when activity monitor shows I have 90% idle memory.

Yes, I get this with 'heavier' projects which work fine in LP8

5) "Disk is too slow (Prepare)" errors

Same as (4) It's the same **** disk which runs fine in 8.0.2

6) "Deep architecture! Please unpack some folders" error messages when not a single folder has been packed.

Seen this too, but also in LP8 and (if I remember correctly) in LP7. Maybe three or four times in the past few years. With LP9, I've seen this 10 times in a week. It's nothing to do with folders. I remember previous threads here about this, but as the forum search is broken, I now can't find them. But this error isn't new - I think it's some really old code lurking in there which gets confused when sessions are approaching some internal object limits.

7) System overload message on playback

Yup. Same project(s) that play back fine in LP8. And it's not the usual system overload when first playing a track which we're all used to, but another, random, message after playing the song through several times, with no CPU or disk spikes. Activity monitor says everything is just purring along when this message pops up.

8) An error message, that I cannot recall completely that read, "this should never happen!" (???)

Yep. For me, they are "Not Enough Memory to memory to create clipboard/Undo!" or "Invalid Region" or my personal favorite "File not found Audio File xxxx" when I can see and hear the file playing back! All these are followed by "Should Never Happen."

Finally, I dumped Snow Leopard and reinstalled Leopard. For the most part, the same errors occur, leading me to the conclusion that my problems are LP9 connected, not 10.6

So I'll patiently (hrmph…) wait for updates, and continue to use LP8

Good luck!

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al smithee Author

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Sep 14, 2009 5:12 PM in response to John Alcock

John... Thanks so much for your reply.

It's not a separate project drive. I'm running everything from my internal (journaled).

I think you're absolutely correct in that the issues are LP9 related. I can't believe that Apple would release a "pro" app with so many issues. The fact that you've seen many of these same issues blows my mind. Because no one replied, I figured my issues were user error - guess not.

I'm afraid to revert to LP8 because I don't want to risk losing the project or not being able to access it. If you run across any solutions, please let me know. Again, thanks for your reply. Best of luck to you as well.

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MacOm65

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Oct 8, 2009 8:53 AM in response to al smithee

Hi, running a recording and mastering studio. same problems with motu traveller and all other outboard midi devices.
it seems like also my motu broke while trying to set it up into the audiosystem.
hold problems, midisync, asynchron running of audioinstruments. i have to confess, everything is exellent with logic 9 without any outboards in my case, but i also not some other producers wich are dieing while using Logic 9.
Please aplle get somethings done fast.
The performance of logic 9 together with snowleopard is indeed amazing!! Congrats.
With using logic here, it seems to get the same performance and stability as it has used to be in older apple times. 9.2.2 Cant remember crashing logic there realy often. here ist still one machine working exellent and havent crashed for at least 5 years!!!!!!!!!

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Answer 4

Oct 8, 2009 9:04 AM in response to al smithee

Have you downloaded the latest duet update?

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