14 Replies Latest reply: Oct 3, 2009 1:10 PM by Eriksimon
plast Level 1 Level 1
What is the meaning of this? Wierd
  • Mike Connelly Level 4 Level 4
    Probably because including the zero for center, it's 128 total values. Having 64 both ways would be 129 and they're probably using a data value that stores 128.
  • plast Level 1 Level 1
    oh
  • bugstone Level 1 Level 1
    That is so irritating. You mean any time you are mixing you have to subtract 1 from the right side value to balance the left side? Two left = one right? I can't believe there is not a better way to do that. No equipment I ever used had that anomaly. Why can't Apple fix that? How do other daw's address this situation?
  • spheric Level 3 Level 3
    "0" is exact center.

    If "-64" is hard left, and "63" is hard right, that means that you've got 1/65 of the pan space per step for the left side, vs. 1/64 of the pan space per step for the right side.

    Why does this matter at all?
  • Mike Connelly Level 4 Level 4
    I was wondering that too.

    If you can hear the difference between 57 left and 56 right I'll give you a dollar.
  • spheric Level 3 Level 3
    Mike Connelly wrote:
    I was wondering that too.

    If you can hear the difference between 57 left and 56 right I'll give you a dollar.



    57 left to 56 right is pretty easy.

    Can I have my dollar?
  • Mike Connelly Level 4 Level 4
    Oops. You know what I meant...
  • bugstone Level 1 Level 1
    But, why does every other digital synth, recorder, and effects unit in the world able to address this situation and Apple is not? The old slogan about Apple software being more "intuitive" is certainly not true here. This is completely COUNTERINTUITIVE.
  • bill borez Level 4 Level 4
    I'm gonna butt in here, because this has nothing to do with Apple and everything to do with the standard Midi protocol.

    Pan has 128 positions for all devices using the midi protocol, it's standard. Now if Apple were to change this in any way, other devices communicating via midi to Logic would get confused.

    The pan position 63 1/2 does not exist in Midi, so a compromise has to be reached.

    Apple haven't changed this because they assume we're all professionals, know this fact and would complain if Logic didn't follow the Midi standard.

    The reason it's 128, and not 130 or 150 is because midi is a binary protocol based on an 8 bit system 8, 16, 32, 64, 128, 256 etc. etc.

    That's why you have 16 midi channels and 128 positions of volume, or your synth may have 8 banks of 32 sound or 16 banks of 64 sounds or any other combination of 8's

    It's got nothing to do with Apple. Period.
  • Pancenter Level 6 Level 6
    Working in the digital realm it's never 1 to 128, but 0 to 127 as 0(zero) is considered a valid number. Many programs use 1 - 128 because it's common and people feel comfortable with it.

    pancenter-
  • bill borez Level 4 Level 4
    Agreed, but I wasn't gonna go there and confuse the issue even more.

    But thanks.
  • Pancenter Level 6 Level 6
    bill borez wrote:
    Agreed, but I wasn't gonna go there and confuse the issue even more.

    But thanks.


    Yeah, I know... it is confusing, just trying to get across the idea that we're only using these numbers as a frame of reference.

    Kind of like the MIDI designation for Middle "C", Yamaha early on adopted C3 because it made sense on their 61-key Flagship DX7 synth. Yet Roland and other manufacturers used the industry standard C4.

    Logic 9 still has the USE C3(Yamaha) or C4(Roland) in Preferences/Display, a +20 year throwback.

    pancenter-
  • Eriksimon Level 6 Level 6
    What about "tsk",
    or "hm..."
    or "yeah!"?
  • Eriksimon Level 6 Level 6
    What a non-issue... jeez...