.mov Files from Canon EOS 5D Mark II and Ipod Nano

I am looking at purchasing both these items with their promise to
deliver video files in the .mov format.

I am wondering whether anyone can confirm that is a 1-step transfer
into FCP, or is there fine print I need to read ? I understand going in
that the video quality of the Nano will be what it is, but wonder also
if anyone has experience with the video coming out of the Canon EOS 5D
Mark II ?

Thanks for any help,

Sterne

G5

Posted on Sep 25, 2009 11:31 AM

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Sep 25, 2009 12:39 PM in response to sterne200

sterne200,

A search of this forum will reveal several threads on editing video from the Canon 5D Mark II.

The bottom line is that footage shot with the 5D Mark II is h.264 encoded video. Because this is a long GOP format that is highly compressed, it is not a good editing format. I would suggest that you convert the 5D Mark II footage to the Apple Pro Res format as that format is easy to edit and play back. That is what I do with my Canon 5D Mark II video footage and the results are excellent.

Tom

Sep 26, 2009 1:04 PM in response to sterne200

So, as you've heard, you don't want to try to edit the H.264 camera footage natively.

Use Compressor and trascode to ProRes. Some go to ProRes HQ. Personally, I find the associated file-bloat of the latter method to be overkill. Alternatively, some folks are trascoding to XDCam. Same theory. Get it out of H.264 for the edit.

You may want to spend some time at Cinema 5D. And at Philip Bloom's website.

Sep 26, 2009 4:22 PM in response to Kevin Brock

I guess I am trying to understand on a very basic level, if this camera is /will
be preparing files that ( if .mov files ) are more or less good to go. ( ? )
And I gather from what I am hearing that that answer may be no.

I have an older G5 computer with non-intel processors upon which I run FCP 5.4.

I do not think I will able to edit hi-def footage with any satisfaction on
this system, nor do I think I will have the money anytime soon to invest in
a new system which apple may choose to make obsolete ( see non-intel FCP 7 )
at their discretion.

However, that does not dissuade me from buying this Canon camera which I
desperately need, with it's video capability, and starting to gather footage
for some future use,

Thus, my question is really a bit more about the quality of that video if anyone
can speak to that - and it's ease of import into FCP. Does the fact that it is
already an .mov file make it more of a drag and drop thing ( as opposed to the
labor involved in transferring my current data from mini-dvd tapes into the
system ? )

Thank you for any insight / experience,

Sterne

Sep 26, 2009 5:42 PM in response to sterne200

Let's get into a little more detail.

The moniker ".mov" doesn't really mean much. It means "a movie that QT can play back" - a very generic statement. Saying that a movie is a QuickTime movie is saying nothing of the underlying codec. You might have a hundred movie files with the ending ".mov" and they could all be using different codecs like: Motion Jpeg, DV, XDCam, DVCPro, DVCPro HD, H.264 and so on.... So to answer the question, "...Does the fact that it is already an .mov file make it more of a drag and drop thing?" The answer is, No. Here's why:

The 5D (and 7D) shoot a ".mov" file, yes. But specifically it's of the H.264 flavor. This is a burdensome codec. It's processor intensive. It's not meant for editing, it's meant for delivery. Furthermore, if there are going to be advances with it's native editability it's going to happen at the happen on hardware and software that are of the most current standards. And besides, that's still a big if.

There are no current machines that have true drag-drop-edit (without pain) the raw Canon .mov files. If you're thinking your current computer can't handle "hi-def footage" then it most certainly won't handle the (HD) camera native files. That doesn't mean you can't edit the footage. You'll just be back to what's been mentioned before: transcoding. You can always transcode to the highest quality codec that your Mac can handle and edit in that format. DVCPro HD? DV, at least! Don't know - whatever your machine can handle.

Summary: Native 5D camera files ---> FCP = painful, even with newest hardware/software. Rule is transcode. This is the only way people are efficiently working with this footage right now.

Footage Quality - it's quite nice! There's tons of video all over Vimeo with it now. It's a great concept that will only get better. Snoop around here too. There are tons of sample footage on the web. It is highly compressed though. All that info, and with tiny files, the information is going someplace! Being discarded. Learning to maximize an environment's given conditions will lead to minimizing the camera's inherent artifacts.

The next question to ask yourself is do you want this camera mostly for the HD movie mode or photography? The new 7D has some compromises compared to the 5D but has some things that the 5D doesn't, yet. Like framerates. The 5D is, for now, strictly 30P, while the 7D sports 24P, 25P 30P and 50P & 60P at 720P (instead of the full 1920x1200).

Hopefully that answers some questions regarding FCP dealing with the native camera files. Other than that: 5D or 7D? Both have some worthwhile merits to consider.

Sep 26, 2009 7:27 PM in response to Kevin Brock

Kevin,

I very much appreciate the in-depth and quite coherent answer. Certainly
clarified alot for me in terms of the .mov format, etc.

My first interest in the Canon is as a still camera. Though the ability to
shoot video without a second piece of equipment is certainly tempting.
I was not even aware of the 7D, and as frame rates ( particularly the slow-mo
settings ) ARE important to me, I will definitely into it.

Thanks again for the excellent response,

Sterne

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