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Easybourne Level 1 Level 1 (110 points)
Is there a way of showing +Aired Date+ in a date format other than the US one?

US date formats are very confusing and catch you out if you are used to the eminently more sensible DD/MM/YYYY format.

This is particularly annoying when tagging content for the Apple TV with Meta X or Subler, as you have to remember to put the first to two parts of the date in backwards.

I've never understood the US date format as it doesn't flow properly - ie. smallest/bigger/biggest -(the US one is oddly bigger/smallest/biggest)!

iMac 24" 2.8 GHz, Mac OS X (10.6), Time Capsule 1TB; AppleTV 160GB; iPod Touch 2nd Gen 32GB; iMac G5; iMac G3 DV
  • Alley_Cat Level 6 Level 6 (18,570 points)
    I share your confusion when dealing with US date formats, but that's regional differences for you.

    If you think about it their method isn't that illogical as verbally we're quite comfortable saying November 26th 2009 or 26th November 2009, and verbally I prefer the former style.
  • Easybourne Level 1 Level 1 (110 points)
    If the date had the word 'November' in it rather than '11', then it wouldn't be a problem.

    The problem is that the date format is WRONG for the region in which it is being displayed.

    I still stand by my statement that the US date system is illogical (not so much when expressed in words, but most definitely when expressed numerically).
  • Chenks Level 5 Level 5 (7,420 points)
    not sure which version of metax you are using, but with the current mac version you enter the date like this

    2009-09-26

    that is neither US or UK as far as i understand.
  • Alley_Cat Level 6 Level 6 (18,570 points)
    Easybourne wrote:
    This is particularly annoying when tagging content for the Apple TV with Meta X


    Have you tried sending some feedback to the developer? You can do so from the Help menu.

    Also, remember being a freeware app, the developer has given us a great tool, but may not have the time to fully develop localisation features, even if the date issue occurred to him.
  • Chenks Level 5 Level 5 (7,420 points)
    Alley_Cat wrote:
    Easybourne wrote:
    This is particularly annoying when tagging content for the Apple TV with Meta X


    Have you tried sending some feedback to the developer? You can do so from the Help menu.

    Also, remember being a freeware app, the developer has given us a great tool, but may not have the time to fully develop localisation features, even if the date issue occurred to him.


    i don't see this being a MetaX issue.
  • Alley_Cat Level 6 Level 6 (18,570 points)
    I wasn't entirely clear if the OP's issue was with AppleTV, MetaX or both.

    Not used MetaX for a few weeks, but being a bit lazy I often don't put much in the date fields anyway, so can't confirm what the current behaviour is.

    Are we saying the issue is with dates being incorrectly displayed on AppleTV then, or that they're wrong because they were entered in UK format in a program expecting US date format? The fact that I'm not sure probably reflects how rarely I look at this metadata anyway!
  • Chenks Level 5 Level 5 (7,420 points)
    i believe the OPs issue is that the appletv displays the date in US format.

    for me, this a non-issue as i am able to train my brain to know that any date shown on the appletv is in the US format.

    out of interest, how many countries other than UK use the "UK format" for dates? it's probably the UK that is being different to everyone else (just like driving on the left)?
  • Chenks Level 5 Level 5 (7,420 points)
    should also add that MetaX is using the standardise universal format for date (ISO 8601) which is 2009-09-26.

    so as far as MetaX is concerned, it is formatting date correctly.
    if AppleTV wishes to display that universal date in US format, then that is another matter.
  • Easybourne Level 1 Level 1 (110 points)
    I've said from the start that this is an issue with how Apple TV displays date info.

    The part about Meta X was more of a rant about the ridiculous date formatting that is used in the colonies. Anyway, I understand that the date needs to be entered in a particular way, so I shouldn't really have mentioned Meta X as it muddied the issue.

    It's a bit odd that there isn't a country setting on the Apple TV apart from the one that relates to the iTunes Store. - Even then I suppose the Apple TV could pick up on this?
  • Alley_Cat Level 6 Level 6 (18,570 points)
    Easybourne wrote:
    It's a bit odd that there isn't a country setting on the Apple TV apart from the one that relates to the iTunes Store. - Even then I suppose the Apple TV could pick up on this?


    That would be the logical assumption.

    If you haven't already:

    http://www.apple.com/feedback/appletv.html
  • Easybourne Level 1 Level 1 (110 points)
    {quote:title=Chenks wrote:}
    out of interest, how many countries other than UK use the "UK format" for dates? it's probably the UK that is being different to everyone else (just like driving on the left)?{quote}


    FYI here is a list of countries using DD/MM/YY formatting for dates:

    Albania
    Algeria
    Argentina
    Armenia
    Australia
    Austria (using dots (which denote ordinal numbering)
    Azerbaijan
    Bahrain
    Bangladesh
    Barbados
    Belarus
    Belgium
    Bolivia
    Brazil
    Bulgaria
    Canada
    Chile
    Colombia
    Costa Rica
    Croatia
    Cyprus
    Czech Republic
    Denmark
    Dominica
    Dominican Republic
    Ecuador
    Egypt
    El Salvador
    Estonia
    Finland
    France
    Georgia
    Germany (using dots (which denote ordinal numbering)
    Greece
    Greenland
    Grenada
    Guatemala
    Guyana
    Hong Kong (in English)
    Honduras
    Iceland
    India (dd.mm.yyyy in Bengali; dd-mm-yyyy in Gujarati, Hindi, Marathi, Punjabi, Tamil; d-m-yyyy in Telugu, no leading zeroes used)
    Indonesia
    Iraq (dd/mm/yyyy)
    Ireland (dd-mm-yyyy)
    Israel (dd/mm/yyyy)
    Italy
    Jamaica
    Jordan
    Kazakhstan (dd.mm.(yy)yy)
    Kenya (dd/mm/yyyy)
    Kuwait
    Kyrgyzstan (dd.mm.yyyy)
    Latvia
    Lebanon
    Libya
    Luxembourg(dd/mm/yyyy in French, d.m.yyyy in German)
    Macau (in Portuguese & English)
    Macedonia (dd.mm.yyyy)
    Malaysia
    Mexico
    Montenegro (d.m.yyyy)
    Morocco
    Netherlands (using hyphens as in “dd-mm-(yy) yy”, very often "d month (yy)yy")
    New Zealand
    Nicaragua
    Norway (d.m.y; the fraction form d/m-y is common, but incorrect)
    Oman
    Pakistan (dd/mm/(yy)yy)
    Panama
    Paraguay
    Peru
    Philippines (in Filipino)
    Poland (dd.mm.yyyy, often with dots as separators; more official is d <month in genitive> yyyy, or, less frequently, d <month in Roman numerals> yyyy)
    Portugal
    Qatar
    Romania (dd.mm.yyyy)
    Russia (dd.mm.(yy)yy)
    Saint Kitts and Nevis
    Saint Lucia
    Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
    Saudi Arabia (dd/mm/yyyy in Islamic and Gregorian calendar systems, except for major companies, which conventionally use the American mm/dd/yyyy format)
    Serbia (d.m.yyyy)
    Singapore (English)
    Slovakia (d.m.yyyy, some use of dd-mm-yyyy)
    Slovenia (d.m.yyyy or d. mmmm yyyy)
    Spain
    Sri Lanka
    Sweden (as d/m yyyy, although the yyyy-mm-dd form is more common and the national standard.)
    Switzerland (dd.mm.yyyy)
    Syria
    Tajikistan (dd.mm.yyyy)
    Thailand (with Buddhist Era years instead of Common Era)
    Trinidad and Tobago
    Tunisia
    Turkey
    Turkmenistan (dd.mm.(yy)yy)
    Ukraine (dd.mm.yyyy; some cases of dd/mm/yyyy
    United Arab Emirates
    United Kingdom - YAY!
    Uruguay
    Uzbekistan (dd.mm.yyyy Cyrillic, dd/mm yyyy Latin)
    Venezuela
    Vietnam
    Yemen

    Here is a list of countries that use MM/DD/YY:

    Belize
    Canada (Although most official government documents use the yyyy-mm-dd format, the mm/dd/yy format is also understood due to influences from the United States.)
    Federated States of Micronesia
    Palau
    Philippines (when written in English)
    United States (civilian vernacular: mm/dd/yy or mm/dd/yyyy; other formats, including dd Month yyyy and yyyy-mm-dd, are common or prescribed—particularly in military, academic, scientific, computing, industrial, or governmental contexts.)

    I always find it interesting just how the US proscribe something as being a 'Standard' when what they really mean is that it is way the US does it. In the same way as English is referred to as 'International English' and American English is just called English by American corporations

    /rant

    Message was edited by: Easybourne
  • Winston Churchill Level 10 Level 10 (87,260 points)
    On the format issue generally, there is only one recognised international standard and it's neither 26/9/09 nor 9/26/09, it is as Chenks points out which is 2009/09/26, which commences with the largest unit of time and ends with the smallest, and includes preceding zeros where they are needed.

    This has actually been my preferred method for writing the date ever since I used my first computer many years ago. I do get asked questions when writing cheques etc and most often the question is' why do you write the American way', to which my response is 'Well actually I don't.....'

    When it comes to the tv, since the start of 2009 or thereabouts it actually reflects the international standard in the list view (which I believe is where one would actually use the date), although this may simply be coincidence. The tv has now dropped the year from the date displayed in that list and simply shows the mm/dd.

    As I say this now reflects the ISO format (although as I say I suspect it's really the US format with the year removed) which I think is the best solution for a device that has international software.

    There isn't a way to change it, so if you are one of those that doesn't like it, all you can do is send feedback to Apple about their product.

    Winston 2009.09.26:13.45.07
  • Chenks Level 5 Level 5 (7,420 points)
    Winston Churchill wrote:
    The tv has now dropped the year from the date displayed in that list and simply shows the mm/dd.


    only on certain things (ie content from the current year). for older content, the year is still shown.
  • Winston Churchill Level 10 Level 10 (87,260 points)
    Chenks wrote:
    Winston Churchill wrote:
    The tv has now dropped the year from the date displayed in that list and simply shows the mm/dd.


    only on certain things (ie content from the current year). for older content, the year is still shown.


    I honestly cannot remember whether it did this in 2008, so I can't be certain whether it's that it has dropped the current year or whether it has dropped the year since the beginning of 2009.
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