Mod wheel changes patches

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Mod wheel changes patches

When I move the mod wheel the patches change in Mainstage. I have tried 3 different keyboard controllers and they all do this. I read that MS automatically passes modulation data without a controller assigned in layout mode so I deleted the mod wheel from my layout. Using MS 1 this was not an issue.
I'm using a MOTU Micro Express MIDI interface. I can't find info on this in the manual, anybody know how to fix this?

Macbook Pro 15 in. 2.4ghz, Mac OS X (10.5.8)

Posted on Sep 27, 2009 5:02 PM

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Answer 1

rc tech

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Sep 28, 2009 11:48 AM in response to Petekeys

Modulation is not normally connected to patch change. Is this using the factory provided content or your own concert? Is it possible your mod wheel is also sending program change for some reason? You can use MIDI Monitor (free download) to see what it is sending out to double check.

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Petekeys Author

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Sep 28, 2009 6:37 PM in response to rc tech

Hi-Thanks for your response rc tech. I am controlling a concert I originally made in MS 1, never had this problem then. I tried your suggestion and used MIDI Monitor to see what the mod wheel was sending=modulation (control) messages. The patches are changed to the patch number corresponding to the mod data value.
I'd like to be able to use the mod wheel for modulation but if do MS changes patches!

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aerol

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Sep 28, 2009 9:08 PM in response to Petekeys

Sounds like the object that displays the patch numbers is assigned to mod wheel.

Go to Layout mode and select the parameter text object that you're using to display the patch number. With this selected, if you look in the Inspector on the left, is the text object assigned to CC1 (mod wheel)?

Just a thought!

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Petekeys Author

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Sep 29, 2009 6:27 AM in response to aerol

Thanks aerol-I deleted the patch number display completely from the layout mode-mod wheel still changes the patches.

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aerol

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Sep 29, 2009 10:27 AM in response to Petekeys

Heh - how about the object that's displaying the patch name. Gotta be one of those 2. If not, is there anything else in the workspace (apart form the mod wheel) that's assigned to CC#1?

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rc tech

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Sep 29, 2009 10:45 AM in response to Petekeys

If you try deleting all of the objects in layout mode, does the problem go away? If it does, then there might be some small object somewhere on screen that is listening to mod and assign to patch number or program change...

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thalund

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Sep 29, 2009 7:04 PM in response to Petekeys

In a concert (created in MS1 now in MS2) I had incoming modwheel changing the tempo ⚠. Just touching it changed tempo to 5 BPM making tempo delays reeaally long. Highly akward.

Anyway I found out that for some reason a "Parameter Text" item that I put in my layout to display the tempo, was assigned to a hardware input and responding to modwheel. Selecting it in Layout mode, changing "Channel" and "Type" both to "Unassigned" solved it.

I went back and checked in MS1, this hardware assignment was actually the same in the original MS1 concert, only in MS1 the mapping of a parameter field to an action (such as display "Tap Tempo") overrides any hardware input set in Layout mode.
In MS2 they're connected so the hardware input now actually controls the value.

Can't tell which behaviour is more correct. But be aware when migrating from MS1 to MS2.

Your problem specific: I'm also able to replicate that. With a Text Parameter field on concert level assigned to showing patch number and in Layout Mode assigned to Modulation (Device set to "all", Channel to "1-16"). Patches fly round crazy.

If you have such a field in your layout try unassigning it in Layout mode.

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Petekeys Author

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Sep 30, 2009 6:09 AM in response to thalund

Thanks for all your help people! All your ideas made sense, tried 'em all-I deleted every hardware input in layout mode and the mod wheel still changed the patches.
I gave up and created a new concert and pasted in my old patches from the misbehaving concert. Works fine now.

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Oct 22, 2009 4:34 PM in response to Petekeys

I had this same issue, but it WAS the "Parameter Text" dislpays having a modulation input assignment. Assigning those to something else unused like "MMC Stop" fixed the issue. Ideally, you should be able change those to "no assignment".

Thanks!

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Blueberry

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Oct 23, 2009 11:35 AM in response to MacCracker

Changing the Channel to "Unassigned" does the trick.

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