Why have fonts (Lucida Bright & Lucida Sans) shown up in Trash?

Thanks Dimaxum but I did "Get Info" and both show "Kind: Font Suitcase." Also - Open With: Font Book.

I see no indication that these are aliases. File sizes are 236 KB & 256 KB.

I don't see where the removal of these fonts are affecting operations in any way. So I suppose I could just trash them. But I am still curious as to why they were removed from the font library (or "suitcase" - not sure which is the correct term).

Okay - I'll do what you suggest because it makes sense. In fact, I think you've answered my question.

I had not had any reason to work with fonts - in ten years of Mac ownership. So I was just being careful because I've had the experience of "thinking I knew" when I didn't know all the facts.

Now I wish I'd taken note of what website created this "question" about the Lucinda fonts. I'd go back and try again if I knew which site it was.

Thank Kurt for your input.

However, have not owned MS Office since leaving Mac OS 9 some years ago.
The Lucida font family existed with all the other fonts in both the Tiger and Leopard System folder.

I just booted into Tiger (I have Tiger on an older drive and Leopard on a brand new drive) on my Mac Pro. I find there are eight Lucida fonts (including the Lucida Bright and Lucida Sans) available under Tiger. Apparently this font family was pared down for Leopard. As far as I can tell - there are only three Lucida fonts (as already described).

I have posted a screen shot of the Tiger Font Book showing the eight fonts. It's here on my public Flickr gallery: <http://www.flickr.com/photos/20515519@N08/3985607881/>

"Never heard of..." Well - that's my problem also. 🙂
I still have no idea what caused the initial "request message" from Safari nor do I have any idea why a second Lucida font was later sent to the Trash (with no notice of any kind).

Clarification: the message was not a "missing font" notice, it was a request to let Safari use Lucida Bright. I "denied permission" and later found Lucida Bright in the Trash.

I HAVE reinstalled both the "Bright" and "Sans" Lucida fonts in the 10.5 System Fonts folder - about 12 hours ago. I then quickly visited about 12 websites and navigated from page to page at each site. There was no indication of any problems at all, not to mention no "font problems."

I then had to shut down the Mac Pro and was away for about 10 hours. Just booted the Mac Pro and saw your response when I downloaded email. Again, so far, there are no problems.

I suppose I ought to try using one or both Lucida fonts in a test message or other document. That'll be next after I finish this message.

Thanks Kurt for your thoroughness.

However, the Lucida fonts in the 10.5 system are "fresh" from the 10.5 install disk (which itself came from the Mac Box Set I purchased last July). This was not an archive & install: I bought a new 1TB drive, partitioned and installed Leopard on it. That's all.

The Tiger installation I have is just the last version of 10.4 - the Mac Pro came with Tiger installed in August 2007. As you know, with up to 4 drives in a Mac Pro, one has the luxury of running "any" compatible OS on any of those drives. For me, it just happens to be convenient because I have some legacy apps which are important and which run fine under 10.4 but not under 10.5 or later.

But your conjecture is still valid - it could be in other cases where someone (other than me) carried over stuff from an OS 9 install to an OS X disk.

And yeah, it's really odd that Safari popped that request: I've never seen anything like it before. (Which is why I felt leery of allowing this heretofore unknown-to-me Lucida font to be used.) Like I said, I've not had ANY issues related to fonts in 10 years of using Macs. So naturally I would be "ignorant" of how to proceed.

Then, when I found the 2nd Lucida font in the trash a few days later - I "took notice" in a big way. It was probably the system's way of handling my "denial of permission" to use the first Lucida font. But the system wasn't letting me in on what it was doing. LOL!

Right now I'm a bit frustrated because I know someone who uses fonts in his work. It's my (still newish) son-in-law. I've been trying to reach him while all this was going on but he hasn't yet returned my calls. He's a professional web designer. We've had a couple of conversations wherein he's talked about fonts (which are his favorites, etc.)

Bottom line: I'm going to give a "question answered" to the suggestion that I just put the fonts back because they're system fonts (in the first place). I have tried using both Lucida Bright and Sans in emails which I sent to two different accounts - these messages were created, sent and read without any sign of trouble. I guess we may never know why or how this mystery came to be.

Thanks to all who took an interest and tried to help.

As they used to say in the Old Country: Awww, S**t!! (They also say that in this country, but I wanted to make it sound more proper and "traditional" ha-ha!)

Okay - no damage done that I can detect. I've done as you've said, deleted "Bright" and "Sans" from the System fonts Library. Then I added them to User Library - where they are the ONLY fonts in that Library.

Question: since both of these came from somewhere and the User font library was EMPTY, where did these two fonts reside before all of these "movements" began?? As far as I can see: they appeared in all theses categories: All Fonts, English Fonts and Computer Fonts. NO fonts were in the User library.

And yes, I do understand that the purpose of the User font library is so that one can restrict their use and, at the same time, avoid possible problems with the System.

Just to be thorough: I'll boot up in 10.4 (on a separate disk) again and will check again with Font Book the Computer font library. The above mentioned screen shot was displaying results for the "All Fonts" library so I don't know for sure whether all those Lucinda fonts are also part of the Computer Fonts Library.

OOPS!!!
Before booting into 10.4: the idea of using SPOTLIGHT to find Lucida fonts (of any kind) popped into my (evidently EMPTY) head!! Aha! I owe apology to Kurt because I told him I haven't had (owned /used) MS Office since around 2003. But - - I DO have MS Office in my Applications folder! And sure as heck - that's were there are all eight types of Lucida fonts.

Man do I feel stupid! I forgot (1) that I even had MS Office (2004) and (2) that I'd used Migration Assistant to bring over all my apps "and stuff" from the disk running 10.4.

I can explain lapse #1: a couple years ago, one of my closest long-time friends did me a wonderful favor: he gave me a couple of apps I'd been wanting for some time as a gift. (He did this once before - and that was the FIRST time I used then discarded MS Office.)

I now see that his "insistence" (not unusual for him, he has a nationwide computer consulting firm) on installing these gift apps HIMSELF was partly to "get even" with me for discarding his original gift of MS Office. He installed a newer version of Office - without telling me this time!

You see, I already have a few text editors and don't need Word (and basically don't have need for any other apps in the Office suite). So I never (until just now!) even looked at the folder (clearly labeled) "Office" - because I assumed it was some kind of demo which had come bundled with the Leopard installer.

I just launched Word for the first time on this 10.5 disk: the first thing it did was to install a bunch of fonts!

This is what you get when you have near-genius friends who also have money... and a perverse sense of humor!

Back-tracking: The unknown presence of the Lucida Bright and Sans fonts in Word* was probably what triggered the original "request for permission" to use them from Safari. It makes sense if Safari went to a website which happened to require these fonts (as few sites do).

* (And hence in the All Fonts category.)

And apparently (I'm guessing), when I refused the request, the font-handling part of the system then put Lucida Bright in the Trash. One can then guess that this "permission setting" from the original request carried over and resulted in the trashing of Lucida Sans.

My other mistake: Was to look into System font Library and see only Lucida Grand in there. I naturally jumped to the wrong conclusion: the OTHER Lucida fonts must have come from the same library.

Anyway ~Bee, your corrective advice is right on target. Thanks for lending me your greater experience and superior knowledge.

LOL!!

Yes, I'm ready... to read Kurt's article and then crawl under the bed. 😉

Actually, this is just delayed education for me. I don't have as much time as I'd like to get better educated about Macs. In less than 18 months, I'll be "fully retired" and will probably start digging in and catching up.

I estimate that I'll also be ready to buy a new Mac Pro then. It's nice to be wondering what they'll be like in 2011 and what OS X will look like by then. Will they look and perform like CP3O? Will Macs be running OS XI? Will we all finally get our personal rocket packs (promised in 1955)? I can hardly wait! 🙂