7 Replies Latest reply: Dec 11, 2009 12:43 PM by Chris.Gill
Saxman Level 2 Level 2 (175 points)
I've read, and posted various topics related to this issue, and have not yet seen any answers to this.
Some say "why is this a problem"? Well, this is a problem if all I'm basically running is Safari, Mail, & maybe iTunes, and the Activity Monitor shows:

Safari - using 662.30 MB of "Real RAM", & (really) 24.62GB of Virtual Memory (& it's gone as high as 135 GB) which is ABSURD!

Plus, even though I'm using 1.09GB of "Active memory", & 680.14MB is "Inactive", they are added, to show 1.96 GB of Used memory, leaving me a whole 35.86 MB of memory left!

Thus, I get big slowdowns, some programs won't even work, etc.... I empty the cache constantly, use flash only on the windows I'm choosing to activate flash for, thus it forces me to close Safari, or use Firefox if I need to use any other programs! This is very frustrating, and would love to hear if anyone has either a fix for this, or at least a rational explanation as to why Safari is using up nearly all of my available memory. (it would be nice if my iMac could hold more than 2GBs)...

iMac, Mac OS X (10.4.11), 20" Dual Core, 2g Ram
  • Carolyn Samit Level 10 Level 10 (95,965 points)
    HI,

    If an application freezes or crashes, and you need to Force Quit, use the Activity Monitor.

    Safari VM on my iMac runs about 146MB. Are you absolutely certain it says: 135GB and not MB?

    Just emptying the Safari cache isn't the only maintenance available.

    Troubleshoot third-party plug-ins

    If you're using the latest versions of any third-party plug-ins yet Safari still unexpectedly quits, try disabling plug-ins:

    Open Safari.
    From the Safari menu, choose Preferences.
    Click Security.
    Deselect "Enable plug-ins".
    Use Safari for a while until you are reasonably certain it is no longer unexpectly quitting

    Go to:

    /Library/InputManagers
    ~/Library/InputManagers

    If there are any files in the Input Managers folders, move them to the Trash.

    From the Safari Menu Bar, click Safari/Reset Safari. Select the top 5 buttons and click Reset.

    It's always possible there's an underlying issue.. perhpaps a problem with the Mac OS X itself.

    Go here for help Maintaining Mac OS X

    Mac OS X: How to force background maintenance tasks (logs and temporary items)




    Carolyn
  • Saxman Level 2 Level 2 (175 points)
    Carolyn Samit wrote:
    HI,

    If an application freezes or crashes, and you need to Force Quit, use the Activity Monitor.

    Safari VM on my iMac runs about 146MB. Are you absolutely certain it says: 135GB and not MB?

    Just emptying the Safari cache isn't the only maintenance available.

    Troubleshoot third-party plug-ins

    If you're using the latest versions of any third-party plug-ins yet Safari still unexpectedly quits, try disabling plug-ins:

    It's always possible there's an underlying issue.. perhpaps a problem with the Mac OS X itself.

    Carolyn


    Hi Carolyn:
    I know how to force quit, & Safari is not freezing or crashing any more than usual, the issue is RAM usage, and slowness, & inability to run other programs

    I know to do more than empty cache

    I will check the plug ins,

    I've exhaustively checked my OS, & even recently replaced my HD & did a new install

    This RAM hogging issue is not so uncommon, as I see many complaints about the same thing. Oh, and YES I mean that VM is in GBs, as astounding as that sounds.....

    In fact, I just opened Safari 10 mins ago, and it's already approaching 700MB, with a few windows open, and I've just begun...
  • Saxman Level 2 Level 2 (175 points)
    Anyone have any kind of response to this? Or do I have to always shut down & restart Safari every so often, or if I want to use another program?
  • Episcript Level 2 Level 2 (450 points)
    People have been complaining about Safari's aggressive memory usage for years. If you go awhile back on the surfing safari blog there was a entry specifically about memory leaks. If they were really determined to bring down memory usage it would have already been solved by now. Mozilla recently bragged about how much they were able to bring down memory usage for Firefox 3.0. I just don't think that reducing memory is a huge priority for the webkit project or the Safari people.

    If you find that Safari is causing excessive pageouts. Get more RAM, restart Safari regularly, or use another browser. The mac has no shortage of alternate browsers. One thing I like about chrome is that each tab is a process, so when you close down a tab or window, all the RAM that tab was holding is given back to the system. Chrome is still in beta though but there is another multi-process browser called Stainless that works similarly though it's a lacking in a lot of functionality. Camino and Firefox also both use significantly less RAM than Safari.
  • Saxman Level 2 Level 2 (175 points)
    I know it's been a constant complaint, yet Apple certainly is doing nothing to correct it. Do they just want people to migrate away from using Safari? I like it, but it's driving me crazy, as is Apple's deplorable dive in customer service.....

    I'd love to add more memory, but one of my other major frustrations is that my iMac is full with only the 2 Gigs I already have. That is why I can't function with Safari on, especially anything having to do with audio or video, in fact I have to shut everything else off for that. Another couple gigs of RAM would be nice, but it's almost a perfect storm plot to get me to lay out another two grand for a new iMac, simply due to this one not capable of taking on more RAM.......sheesh.

    Also, while Firefox is less a hog, it's still no Prius on the RAM either...
  • Saxman Level 2 Level 2 (175 points)
    While Firefox is almost as much an energy hog as Safari, I have seen Opera come through as far less a user. This disparity reveals, pretty clearly, that my computer, or my personal settings, are the cause of the problem. If that were so, then ALL my browsers would exhibit the same level of energy/memory usage...

    Do any of the "experts" who love telling all who complain about Safari's huge memory drain that we are delusional, have any comments on this?
  • Chris.Gill Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    I too find that Safari uses huge amounts of RAM.

    But what I notice in particular is that the only other RAM hog on my system is Apple Mail. Other software suppliers seem to be able to keep their RAM requirements in double figures, while the two Apple programs I use are always in triple figures.

    Wouldn't it be nice if someone from Apple could explain this! (And tell us that it is about to be cured, of course ...)

    Chris