Random IP Addresses stopping me use the internet

Not sure how best to explain this, as it is an intermittent problem.
I have a macbook pro that uses the internet fine, no problems. I have a small PC laptop that uses the internet fine, no problems. I have a Power PC dual 450Mhz attempting to use the internet, with intermittent problems. I have a 3rd party Realtek wireless card, that I appear to have to keep de-installing and re-installing the OS X Drivers for to get onto the internet. I have broadband through Sky, and an Airport Extreme Base Station. Internet appears to work temporarily through either AEBS or the Sky router (although more problems occur with self assigning the IP address with the Sky router than with the AEBS). When it works I have the following in TCP/IP-

IP Address: 192.168.0.2
Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0
Router: 192.168.0.1

Occasionally this info remains the same, advises me I am on the internet, but am unable to open any web browsers. If I refresh the DHCP lease, it either comes up with the same info, or a newly assigned IP address of eg. 169.254.162.94 comes up, and I cannot connect to the internet, and each time I refresh the DHCP lease the same IP address comes up.
Does anyone know why this is happening, I seem to be able to go onto the internet for about 5 minutes before something crashes it.
It all works fine on my other computers, I have recently upgraded to 10.4.11 and have 896MB of RAM.

Any help appreciated, Ian

Mac G4 dual 450Mhz 768MB RAM, 80GB, Mac OS X (10.4.11)

Posted on Oct 26, 2009 5:50 AM

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Oct 26, 2009 9:46 AM in response to Ian Thompson4

a newly assigned IP address of eg. 169.254.162.94 comes up,


That is in the range of self-assigned IP addresses. You get that when nobody will talk to you. On a wired connection, you would need to check physical things like cables and Router ports.

Do you have both your Sky Router and your AirPort base station configured to pass out DHCP Addresses? It should be one or the other, and let the other one act as a "Wireless Access Point" or "Wireless Switch".

Oct 26, 2009 11:51 AM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder

Hi Grant,

To be honest, I'm not sure if I have "Sky Router and your AirPort base station configured to pass out DHCP Addresses?" In the past, there have been no issues. What appears to be strange, is that using the Sky router for internet does appear to be the problem more than the airport. How would I get them to pass out DHCP addresses? I have a relative knowledge of IT but not sure how to go about this?

Nov 8, 2009 12:45 AM in response to Ian Thompson4

The question should be "Is the AirPort set up to extend your wireless network from the Sky unit, or is it acting as an independent entity from the Sky router?"

If the Sky router is running DHCP (it should be, as the main Internet link) you need to make sure that the AirPort is not issuing IP addresses via DHCP on its own. Use the AirPort utility to change it to Bridge Mode: Manual Setup->Internet pane->Connection Sharing:Off (Bridge Mode)

-Douggo

Nov 12, 2009 10:23 AM in response to Douggo

Thank you. I have basically switched off the Airport now, and I still get 169.254.174.81 or other IP addresses coming up.
I have tried manually configuring the network with -
IP Address - 192.168.0.8
Subnet Mask - 255.255.255.0
Router - 192.168.0.1

This then shows I have a green light in Network Status, connected to the internet, and my Realtek PCI network status card shows I have a signal, however I still cannot get onto the internet.
v.v.v.v.v.v.v occasionally it comes online, then immediately goes off again. Any help would be appreciated, as I do not want to go and buy the original Airport wireless card for me to have the same problem, and I really cannot figure out why it isn't working.

thanks, Ian

Nov 12, 2009 12:14 PM in response to Ian Thompson4

Try downloading a (free) stumbler program such as macstumbler of iStumbler. These will sniff the entire spectrum used by wireless and report what other stuff is on the same and nearby channels.

Often, you can use this info to decide whether you need to change the channel on your Wireless access point and get away from the competing broadcasts and interference.

Nov 18, 2009 7:39 AM in response to Ian Thompson4

I have downloaded iStumbler but because I do not have airport on my G4 it doesn't give me the option to view other wireless networks for some reason? It does on my Macbook Pro but not on the G4? I did manage to change the channel the router is broadcasting on from 11 (which there are 2 other networks in range on) to 6 (which there are none) and the G4 still does not connect correctly?
If someone has any more suggestions I would be most greatful as it is getting very frustrating. If any suggestions of DNS servers are mentioned you will probably need to talk me through it as I am not totally computer literate.
THanks Ian

Nov 18, 2009 8:37 PM in response to Ian Thompson4

Okay, let's back-track a little and start removing variables.

You have the AEBS shut down now, right? And the Sky router is up and broadcasting wireless, correct?

Are you running a secure wireless network with WEP or WPA authentication?

Is the G4 in close enough proximity to get good signal from the Sky router?

Based on what you're describing, it sounds a lot like the G4 is getting spotty wireless connection and dropping the link. Have you tried just opening System Preferences/Network, making the wireless connection and just watching what happens there?

When using DHCP routers, it's usually not a good idea to manually assign IP addresses on client machines unless that IP address is reserved in the DHCP server and tied to a particular machine record (MAC address). That said, there are some devices that will only work when they're assigned a reserved address in the DHCP server, and your Realtek card might be one of them. If you're comfortable working in the router DHCP configuration settings, you should be able to add the G4 to the address reservation list if the router can see it.

-Doug

Nov 19, 2009 2:09 AM in response to Douggo

Okay, let's back-track a little and start removing variables.

"You have the AEBS shut down now, right?" Correct (However when this is turned on, my PC and Powerbook both connect to either wireless network without a problem)
"And the Sky router is up and broadcasting wireless, correct?" Correct

"Are you running a secure wireless network with WEP or WPA authentication?" Running WPA

"Is the G4 in close enough proximity to get good signal from the Sky router?"
It is through in a conservatory about 8 metres away, almost in a direct line from the router with a glass opening door in between. It has always previously worked fine when the router was upstairs and the G4 downstairs. I have also brought it in next to the router and tried wireless and it still has not worked. I have plugged the ethernet cable directly in and we do get internet.

Based on what you're describing, it sounds a lot like the G4 is getting spotty wireless connection and dropping the link. Have you tried just opening System Preferences/Network, making the wireless connection and just watching what happens there? (Yes, now, I have 2 setups, "Automatic" and "Desk" one for manual DHCP assignment and one for Auto using DHCP.
I have sat there, and with the manual IP addresses given installed, I get a green light and it states that it is connected to the internet, but when you try and open a browser it doesn't work. My Auto setup now just consistently defaults to a 192.254.xxx.xxx and now vv.v.v.v.v.v. randomly may it actually connect to a 192.168.xxx.xx IP address and get the browser working, then it will default back to a 254 setup.

When using DHCP routers, it's usually not a good idea to manually assign IP addresses on client machines unless that IP address is reserved in the DHCP server and tied to a particular machine record (MAC address). That said, there are some devices that will only work when they're assigned a reserved address in the DHCP server, and your Realtek card might be one of them. If you're comfortable working in the router DHCP configuration settings, you should be able to add the G4 to the address reservation list if the router can see it.

the above to be honest I would have no idea on how to set up so if you could talk me through it that would be great. I also do not know what the renew lease does and whether this is something I should click on each time.The ther part of the problem I have is I am unable to run a diagnostics check or assistant because I do not have airport running and the setup for the step by step guide isn't geared towards having a 3rd party PCI network wireless card?
Help would be greatly appreciated, because I do not know what to do and cannot afford to replace this machine currently.
Thanks Ian

Nov 19, 2009 5:24 AM in response to Ian Thompson4

The standard Apple card for a G4 tower has a port on the outboard end for an antenna wire connection. The antenna wire is supplied in the G4 cabinet, but some users have found it was never connected, or not fully seated. Use of a third-party card that can not use the antenna wire (some laptop cards have a thick outboard end containing their own antenna) may give poor results when enclosed inside the metal shielded body of a G4 tower.

So make sure the antenna connection is secure.

Nov 19, 2009 7:03 AM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder

Thankyou for this. I can confirm that the antenna is attached securely. As I mention there seems to be a problem with self assigning an IP address rather than the signal strength.
When I manually assign with the IP addresses, subnet mask and router, when you check in network status it advises "the ethernet slot is active and has the IP address 192.168.0.8. You are connected to the internet via PCI Ethernet Slot 3" with a green light.
However it still does not allow a web browser to surf correctly. As I speak my Skype status has just come online, however I still cannot browse the internet?
Are there any step by step instructions of how to rectify this problem?
Thanks

Nov 19, 2009 7:55 AM in response to Ian Thompson4

You get a "self-assigned" 169.254.xxx.yyy IP Address when nobody will talk to you. With wired connections, this is caused by fundamental physical problems like busted cables.

With wireless: issues like antenna problems, bad wireless card, incompatible wireless card, or similar problems. Subtler issues like inability to use WPA or WPA 2 or Enterprise encryption generally cause error messages that can lead you to the source of the problem. The point is that you likely have a fundamental problem, akin to a busted cable or a compatibility problem, not a subtle configuration issue.
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You can get step-by-step help:

Open System Preferences > Network > Airport > TCP/IP

... and click the "Assist Me" button to start up the "Network Diagnostics" program.

Message was edited by: Grant Bennet-Alder

Nov 19, 2009 8:43 AM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder

Hi. Okay, well it isn't anything to do with busted cables as hard wiring into the Apple G4 works fine, as do both other laptops I have work fine with the wireless router. So, maybe it could ultimately be something to do with the wireless card. I just find it incredibly strange that it randomly works then goes back to an assigned 192.254 address.
With regards to the following -
Open System Preferences > Network > Airport > TCP/IP

... and click the "Assist Me" button to start up the "Network Diagnostics" program"

This isn't possible, because when I click on Network > Airport isn't listed as I do not have an Apple Airport card.
When I click on the PCI ethernet card, then click Assist me, when I go to Diagnostics it only lists "Built-in ethernet > Internal Modem and Other, Airport isn't a highlightable option.
When I click on "Assistant" it gives me all other opions apart from "I use Airport to connect to the Internet wirelessly".

Any other suggestions?

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