Choosing between 21.5 or 27...

Hi everyone, I was wondering if u could give me an advice.
I've just sold my old iMac, it was a 20" 2.4ghz with 4 GB of RAM and the HD 2600 with 256 mb from ATI.
Now, I work with Final Cut (editing and converting video) and with a couple of 3D programs mainly. The rest is word processing, some Photoshop and surfing the internet.
Now, should I get the 21.5 inch with a 3.06ghz, 8GB RAM and the 256 mb ATI 4670 or the 27 inch 3.06ghz, 8GB RAM and the ATI 4850 with 512mb?
I don't really care about the size of the screen, 21 would be fine. It's really a matter of performance. Will I really note a big difference between the two graphic cards considering hte different screen sizes?

Thank you for the advice, I'm not sure what to do.
rheex

Mac OS X (10.5.2)

Posted on Oct 31, 2009 3:44 PM

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Oct 31, 2009 4:51 PM in response to Rheex

Id wait for the intel quad core first if you want to get a boost of performance, by all means the i5 quad core is a 266gighertz but it has turbo boost so it would go up to 3.2 I think and the quad core i7 would be 288 gigahertz and it has hyper threading which would work like if it had 8 cores instead of 4 cores, and turbo boost up to 3.4 gighertz, i am planning on getting the i5 but I am eager to know what are the differences in rendering power when it comes to the i7 quad core, what are the time percentage differences and would it be noticeable.
I am in your situation also so we should wait till december.

Oct 31, 2009 5:04 PM in response to Rheex

There is also a matter of pixel density, pixels per inch (PPI). Your 20-inch iMac was about 99 PPI. The new 21.5-inch iMac is about 102 PPI. The 27-inch iMac is about 109 PPI. So on the 27-inch screen, the same objects will appear about 10% smaller, compared to your 20-inch iMac. It also means things will look 10% sharper. So it's just different, not necessarily an advantage or disadvantage. If you are close to an Apple Store, you should go take a look in person.

Either choice will be noticeably faster than your previous iMac. So if your old iMac was adequate for your use, I think either choice would be more than sufficient, and the smaller one will save you some money. But if your previous iMac was straining a bit to keep up, then you may want to the faster choice.

The new iMacs have four RAM slots (instead of two like all previous iMacs), so you can buy it with the standard 2x2GB and see if that is enough. Then, if you find you actually need more, you can add another 2x2GB, without replacing (wasting) the installed RAM. You can buy the upgrade from places like OWC

http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Other%20World%20Computing/8566DDR3S4GP/

for less than what Apple charges to have it pre-installed.

Nov 1, 2009 1:21 AM in response to Kenichi Watanabe

Hey, thanx for the RAM link. I'll definitely add some more memory as you adviced.
My doubt was mainly on the ATI video card, being 256mb with the 21.5 and 512mb with the 27 inch option. I was just wondering if there's actually a big difference between the two cards given the difference in size and pixel per inch for the two monitors.
I mean, I suppose a bigger screen needs a bigger card (more video RAM) while a smaller monitor would go similarly with less video RAM? I'm a bit confused about this point and yes it would be ok to spare some extra money if the systems are similar.
I was ok with my las 20" iMac. It did pretty much everything I needed but of course, since I use for some work, I could use some more speed and I can't afford the Mac Pro.
rheex

Nov 1, 2009 3:25 AM in response to Rheex

My older iMac from +late 2006+ has only 128mb VRAM, yet it can drive a 1920x1200 display off the Mini-DVI port (plus the built-in display at 1440x900). The new 21.5-inch iMac can drive a dual-link 30-inch 2560x1600 Cinema Display off its Mini DisplayPort (plus the built-in display at 1920x1080). So the amount of VRAM is not the most important factor for performance, I think. The new 27-inch iMac has to be able to drive its built-in 2560x1440 display PLUS a dual-link 30-inch 2560x1600 Cinema Display off its Mini DisplayPort, so 512mb of VRAM probably helps for someone who wants such a maximized setup. The real question is (if you are only using the built-in display), how much better is the ATI Radeon HD 4850 versus the ATI Radeon HD 4670. I don't know...

I think either iMac will provide be a significant improvement over your previous iMac. So I think your decision should be based on whether you want the big beautiful 27-inch display or save some money with the still very nice 21.5-inch display. Note: Compared to the old iMac's 20-inch display, the 27-inch display has more than double the number of pixels.

Nov 1, 2009 4:17 AM in response to Rheex

I have the similar issue in selecting my next iMac and I used to have the same old iMac as yours. If you are happy with performance of older ATI HD2600 graphic processor, newer ATI HD4670 certainly has higher performance (refer to technical details in ATI/AMD website) and it should be sufficient for your work on video editing unless you want ultimate performance of ATI HD4850. You also do not need extra screen area of 27" display.

I would suggest (for my next purchase as well) taking 21.5 inch iMac with default ATI HD4670 GPU (256MB Video RAM) , Core2Duo CPU clock rate upgraded to 3.3GHz and RAM size upgraded to 8GB. This configuration will give you best cost/performance ratio and cater to your needs at the same time. Though Intel 2.66GHz quad-core Core i5 processor has Turbo Boost feature to boost clock rate from 2.66GHz to 3.2GHz on demand, but that is possible with two cores only with another two cores shut down. So in the end, a 3.3GHz dual-core can break even with 2.66GHz quad-core in term of maximum performance with maximum clock rate. Of course in normal operation, Mac OS 10.6 able to fully utilize four cores of Core i5 processor for better performance through Grand Central Dispatch.

To me the only consideration for 27" iMac display is to use iMac's display as Monitor for external video sources such as Blue-Ray player or set-top box through HDMI to display mini-port adaptor (sold separately and not yet available).

Nov 1, 2009 8:17 AM in response to Rheex

Absolutely great thinking from all of you guys! Really helpful thoughts. I guess the 27" is too big for normal everyday work, especially if you don't really use it as a TV or game console monitor.
But compared to the 20" iMac, how bigger is it optically the 21.5"? I've been looking for a side by side picture between the two monitors but was unlucky. It would be great to physically compare them.

Nov 1, 2009 8:37 AM in response to Rheex

I'm also trying to choose between the 21.5" and 27". All the inputs here are very helpful. I still have one question. When I purchase my previous iMac 20" the first week it was released in 2007 (i think), I was very disappointed with a sort of blue hallow at the bottom and top of my screen... like a magnetic field or something. I was told that the problem was only on 20" display and that the 24" version did not have it because of the additional space inside the body of the machine.

As a heavy user of photoshop, colour accuracy is very important to me. Is anyone aware of a similar problem with this new design? Is the blue cast still a problem on the smaller display?

Nov 1, 2009 12:06 PM in response to Rheex

I'm not sure what you mean by "optically." In terms of pixels, the old 20-inch display will completely fit inside the new 21.5-inch display, with room to spare.

In terms of physical size, the height of the new iMac's display is just about equal to the old iMac's display (the old iMac's display may even be slightly taller); the new iMac's display is wider by about 1.8 inches.

The shape is slightly different; the new iMac's display is extra wide like an HDTV screen. In fact, 1920x1080 used by the 21.5-inch iMac is the same resolution as an HDTV at "1080p."

Nov 1, 2009 8:36 AM in response to Rheex

*Old iMacs*

20-inch: 1680 x 1050 pixels or 1.764 Million pixels in a 16:10 aspect ratio
24-inch: 1920 x 1200 or 2.304 Mpx, 16:10 or 31% more than the 20-inch

*New iMacs*

21.5-inch: 1920 x 1080 or 2.073 Mpx, 16:9 or 17% more than the 20-inch
27-inch: 2560 x 1440 or 3.686 Mpx, 16:9 or 109% more than the 20-inch

Nov 1, 2009 8:51 AM in response to Smilex101

No.

The display technologies are completely different.

The 20-inch iMac had a not very good display. The backlighting was Cold Cathode Fluorescent (CCFL) and the viewing angle was limited.
The 24-inch iMac also used CCFL, but had a larger viewing angle and better color reproduction.

The new iMacs use Light Emitting Diode (LED) for the backlight. It is more uniform and provides better color handling.

The 21.5-inch iMac is a huge step up from the 20-inch iMac in every way.

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