Multi or multitimbral instruments and midi CC info

I have used a similar setup. I don't know about the CC1/Mod Wheel stuff -- that should work as expected. But the CC7/Volume is still going to be a problem without another step.

Assign some other CC number to Volume in Kontakt (let's say CC10). Then use a transformer object in the Environment between the Multi Instrument and Kontakt that changes CC7 to CC10. Then use CC10 to control volume.

As for the Mod wheel stuff, just check that the arrange tracks (for the multi-instrument parts) are set to the correct MIDI channel and not to "All". I can't think of anything else it could be.

Ekstasis wrote:
Assign some other CC number to Volume in Kontakt (let's say CC10). Then use a transformer object in the Environment between the Multi Instrument and Kontakt that changes CC7 to CC10. Then use CC10 to control volume.

This will affect the Pan knob of the Logic channel strip !
It will be nice to set the transformer to "Use Map" of the "Data Byte 2" Operation box. Click "Init" of the map templates and set the bottom left "Mapped to" boxes as follows:
7->12
10->13
This will map the Incoming ( Volume ) CC 7 to CC12, and CC10 to CC13... if there are standard midi Level & Pan incoming messages. In this scenario the Kontakt "Midi Automation" must be set to CC12 & cc13 for the target parameters for example.
If gust like to control any target parameters in Kontakt via "Midi Automation", do not set them to CC7 or CC10 which affect the Logic channel strip.
Regarding the CC1 problem I guess the "Konatakt" channel strip instance midi channel must be set to "All"...

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Looks like you are working on some very interesting environments for RMX, and possibly other instruments ! Good luck with your web development. This could be very useful for many LP users.

By the way, It would be great if you could design some environment MACRO's that are ready to use, by just cabling to multi-timbral instrument, such as KONTAKT, RMX, PLAY, ...etc. and solve the controller 7, and 10 issue, which is usually controlled by the instrument channel, rather than the individual midi track channels of a mult-timbral instrument. Basically, offer a MACRO based solution for many of the multi-timbral instruments that behave oddly with Logic Pro. via a MACRO library of solutions.

IMHO, this CC7 and CC10 issue with Multi-Timbr. instruments in LP is one of the weak points of its design, but having the ability to use the environment to solve these types of issues is great, but many LP users would rather not have to deal with it, since it does interfere with workflow, and not all LP users are Environment experts.

No other DAW on the market has this issue, LP is the only one I know that has to be tweaked in the environment to fix the odd behavior with CC7 and CC10 when using multi-timbr. instruments, and need to automate, or control level and pan data, independently of the main instrument channel.

I Look forward to visit your website once you have it up and running !

Cheers.

Thanks for the comments man...
Yes, I'm doing other interesting complex Macro tools ( only ) apart of RMX Power Control. One is "Logic Advance Midi Tools" which is a bundle of different midi plugins, helpers which are missing in Logic.
Regarding the problem with midi messages like CC# 3,9,7,10, 28,etc... which affect Logic channel strip there is a special small Macro complex tool named "Advanced Input Filter ( AIF )" included in my bundle. Cause many users report problems that their external controllers output un-wished CC# messages which affect the Logic channel strip, I decided to create the AIF. Why Advanced? Cause there is a Global Input Filter in Logic Settings, where you can enable the CC# box, but this is "Global" and will filter some other CC# messages you need for your work.
The AIF has its own "Internal memory" and supports the new function I developed in the last years "auto save". Cause I hate the huge work spaces ( no offence if you try to create a table with 127 CC# and buttons enable/disable it will seem scary ) I decided to make the AIF very small - one numerical fader ( CC# or Prg.number ) and one button only. So you scroll to the desired parameter using the Num fader and enable/disable the parameter. It is automatically stored in the Macro memory, so when scroll to other parameters and come back to the one in question the enable/disable button switches in the mode you have set it before etc... There is a Global Reset, Custom menus etc... as well.
Right to your question about re-mapping the problem CC# events between a Multi and Channel strip it will not be hard to create a Macro "Easy Mapper Tool" which will use a few interface Num faders, where I can include and "Presets Menu" so you can store your settings etc ...

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That's Great !

Bravo, you have some fantastic ideas. This is wonderful stuff ! I'm guessing that you have a lot of experience working with LP's Environment. which is a very interesting, and a very powerful part of Logic Pro, but, it can be very complex, and confusing as well. I would like to learn using it more creatively myself one of these days, when I find some extra time.

I look forward to checking your advanced midi tools, I think an 'Easy Mapper' tool for dealing with CC#7 &10 controllers, and multi-timbr. instruments will be a very useful utility, and will help speed up workflow for many LP users.

The 'RMX Power Control' , and 'Logic Advanced Midi Tools' sound very interesting. I'm guessing you will have some documentation to go along with these new, and advanced LP environment based tools as to what exactly they do, and how best to use them.

Cheers.

Heh, you know Bulgarian... !
Yes, I need to make detail video tutorial and documentation about all that, which sometimes takes more hard time than the environment tool creation itself. Right now I'm doing exactly that.
Regards,

Ivan

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Благодаря !

I don't speak bulgarian 😉 , but would love to visit Bulgaria one of these days, a very interesting country, with a rich history, and culture.

Wish You All The Best.