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Late 2008 MacBook Pro "blackout" screen flickering - Revised

--NOTE: I have written this thread as a continuation of the following thread, as the solution in it is slightly different from my issue. I apologize to the community for the confusion. http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2230532&tstart=0 --

Many of us Late 2008 MacBook Pro owners have been experiencing a moderate to significant screen flicker when using our MacBook Pros in Better Battery life mode, which uses the 9400 M chip. While I had thought that 10.6.2 had resolved this issue, I have since discovered that it has not. In fact, some believe, myself included, that it has made it worse, as, for me, it has been happening far more frequently.


My screen flicker is like a black frame popping in randomly. This frame does not even last a second, but it does create a "flicker" effect.

These YouTube videos show it best and are virtually identical to mine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNQofnQKrDA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EATI_kh6GOw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qODFFWbiGUI

*Does anyone think that this is indicative of a logic board problem?*

*Has anyone resolved this by going back to 10.5.8?*

I had never experienced this in Leopard.

Thanks.

"Stay hungry. Stay foolish." - Steve Jobs @ Stanford (YouTube) MB PRO 5,1, Mac OS X (10.6.2), Boot Camp, with a Windows XP Professional, with SP2, partition/ACD 23"/MB/MB Air

Posted on Nov 11, 2009 8:22 PM

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Nov 13, 2009 7:16 PM in response to CT

You are right, Charlie. I had seen those pre-release reports too, but I have not seen anything mentioned in the current release notes.

I verily believe that it is a software issue. I may downgrade to Leopard to prove it, but I hope another solution presents itself first.

Anyone?

Thanks.

Nov 15, 2009 4:53 PM in response to LukeD

_*MY SOLUTION*_

I have written this post to confirm that I have resolved this issue by having found that it is definitely linked to Snow Leopard 10.6.2.

I had performed an erase and reinstall, and I had gone back to 10.5.8. I had carefully tested all programs that I had loaded.

In 10.5.8, I had not experienced the screen flicker whatsoever, and I had tested it for almost two full days.

I had then upgraded to 10.6.0, and I had found no issues as well. As soon as I had upgraded to 10.6.2, I had experienced the screen flicker.

This will most likely fall on deaf ears, but I hope that it may save some from unnecessary grief and pointless logic board replacements.

I really hope that Apple takes this information seriously and develops a solution in 10.6.3.

I thank Eww, Travis A., and Charlie for their help!

All the best,
Luke

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Nov 15, 2009 5:32 PM in response to LukeD

LukeD wrote:
_*MY SOLUTION*_

I have written this post to confirm that I have resolved this issue by having found that it is definitely linked to Snow Leopard 10.6.2.

I had performed an erase and reinstall, and I had gone back to 10.5.8. I had carefully tested all programs that I had loaded.

In 10.5.8, I had not experienced the screen flicker whatsoever, and I had tested it for almost two full days.

I had then upgraded to 10.6.0, and I had found no issues as well. As soon as I had upgraded to 10.6.2, I had experienced the screen flicker.

This will most likely fall on deaf ears, but I hope that it may save some from unnecessary grief and pointless logic board replacements.

I really hope that Apple takes this information seriously and develops a solution in 10.6.3.

I thank Eww, Travis A., and Charlie for their help!

All the best,
Luke

Message was edited by: LukeD


Awesome news, and what I expected -- Snow Leopard is the cause. Is there any way you can report this to Apple directly?

Nov 15, 2009 9:49 PM in response to LukeD

Hi Luke,

Snow Leopard may exacerbate the problem, but there are certainly reports of something that looks very similar (identical?) from some users before installing SL (see http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1807105&tstart=0 for example).

I found myself wondering whether it may be somehow due to the fact the when running under the 9400 the processor calls on the regular RAM for graphics memory, and perhaps some RAM just isn't quite up to the demands imposed by this, and that this somehow becomes more apparent under SL because of other demands imposed by the new OS version.

I wonder whether anyone has noticed any difference (positive or negative) after either installing more RAM, or replacing it with a different brand, or the like?

This is complete speculation , based on nothing more than thinking about what the difference is when running under the 9400 rather than the 9600, I hasten to add. Not in any way suggested as a "fix" , but simply a possible hypothesis that it might be worth definitively eliminating.

It certainly sounds like an annoying problem!

Cheers

Rod

Nov 16, 2009 7:02 AM in response to LukeD

I had my hard drive fail..so machine sitting at blinking folder icon. The screen still flickered enough for the genius bar technician to offer a logic board replacement. That's a very basic image loaded, for it to experience issues to me would exclude leopard vs. snow leopard (or application/driver issues).
I think there may be multiple problems and unfortunately when you have many people respond to a posting you get the range of issues (some overlapping in appearance)

Nov 17, 2009 1:09 PM in response to Rod Hagen

Hi Rod,

I have written this quick post to let you know that I really appreciate you taking the time to help troubleshoot my problem! Thank you!

I hope that it is not faulty nvidia hardware.

As for RAM, I have 4 GB, which had come with my MacBook Pro. I have done every test imaginable, and it all checks out.

I am currently trying to figure out if VM Fusion 3 causes an increase in the flickering, as it would certainly "play" with the memory. I will follow up.

For now, 10.6.2 seems like the culprit to me!

Nov 19, 2009 9:09 AM in response to LukeD

Sorry to toss in a monkey wrench here, but this is most definitely NOT a Snow Leopard-only problem, as I am one of the many people who had this exact problem under Leopard. I understand that some people did not experience this problem until they upgraded to Snow Leopard, but I assure you, it definitely existed for many people under Leopard.

FWIW, I did get a logic board replacement (on my Late 2008 MBP), and it did seem to solve the problem. I had been having flashes (2 to 5/day) almost every day, and then after the logic board replacement, not a single one for a week and a half. That says something. What? Who knows. But, for better or worse, the people who replaced the logic board didn't really know what they were doing, and I had other problems, which led to other problems, which eventually led Apple to just replace my computer with a new one (one with only the 9400). So far, knock on wood, no blinks with this new one (though I am not convinced it won't start happening any day). I only had the new logic board for a week and a half, so there's no telling if it would have started up again, but there were no blinks during the time I had it.

So, the lesson here is that yes, a logic board replacement can solve this problem, IF it is installed correctly, which is, apparently, not easy to do. So, it is a risk....

Nov 19, 2009 9:09 AM in response to LukeD

_*EVIDENCE SUPPORTING A DRIVER ISSUE, NOT A FAULTY LOGIC BOARD*_

I have found further evidence that this issue is not faulty hardware.

I have booted from a "live" Linux CD of Mint 7, and I have experienced no issues.

Everything that I have experienced suggests an incorrectly set refresh rate thanks to a driver conflict that has been caused by 10.6.2.

Nov 19, 2009 9:17 AM in response to walker7366

I agree with you on the problems caused by a logic board replacement, walker7366.

I do believe that some need a logic board replacement after having completed proper troubleshooting. I also believe that there is a driver issue for others.

I have been speaking to some good people, and I have been paying a lot of money out of my own pocket to find the underlying cause of this.

For me, if it were a faulty board, I would have noticed the issue in Linux.

I will keep this thread posted with any further findings.

Nov 19, 2009 9:22 AM in response to walker7366

walker7366 wrote:
So, the lesson here is that yes, a logic board replacement can solve this problem, IF it is installed correctly, which is, apparently, not easy to do. So, it is a risk....


This is SO TRUE!!!

walker7366 wrote:
I had been having flashes (2 to 5/day) almost every day


This seems to have been a slightly different issue, as I have been experiencing screen flickers every few minutes.

Nov 20, 2009 10:11 AM in response to LukeD

Count me in too. I got a 15" late 2008 exhibiting the same drop outs from those videos.

My 17" MBP (early 2009) has the same graphics but does not have this.

Does this mean that the 17" is the true Pro of the MacBook line? It seems that all the other MacBooks are riddled with problems.

That's a shame because I am hoping to buy a 13" for travel purposes but I just do not trust Nvidia.

My 2007 MacBook Pro had major Nvidia problems too. They replaced the board 3 times before junking it and giving me a credit for a new one. I cannot tell you how frustrating that experience was!

How many times must Apple be bitten by Nvidia before it drops Nvidia once and for all. I am sick of this!!!

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