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Safari since transitioning from Safari 2.x has not been able to correctly render this site.
http://radar.weather.gov/Conus/full_loop.php

Load times including start of animation will be around 2 minutes using a 10meg download internet access point.

Scrolling will be jerky because user inputs are delayed nearly a second.

CPU usage will repeatedly spike from 30% to 98%

WebKit has, for the last 2 years, had the same problem.

Anybody got an idea of the cause? FireFox will load and animate in less than a second.

Jim

Many Macs from Classic .... MPB, Mac OS X (10.6.2)

Posted on Nov 13, 2009 7:08 AM

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Nov 13, 2009 7:57 AM in response to Jim Oase

Hi Jim,

Try emptying the cache and reset Safari.

From the Safari Menu Bar, click Safari / Empty Cache. When you are done with that...

from the Safari Menu Bar, click Safari / Reset Safari. Select the top 5 buttons and click Reset.

Mac OS: Web Browser Quits Unexpectedly or Stops Responding

Safari add-ons can cause performance issues or other situations








Carolyn 🙂

Nov 13, 2009 8:38 AM in response to Carolyn Samit

Thanks Carolyn for the suggestions.

Over the years I cleared caches, clean loaded several different OSXs, loaded combo updates, reset permissions in safe mode, reset PRAM at start up. After doing all this several times Safari from version 3.x through the current version of 4.x still will not load and render this site quickly and correctly. The WebKit version of Safari has been upgraded hundreds of times without affecting Safari's performance with this site.

So far FireFox has no problem rendering this site in a second or two compared to Safari at a minute or two.

Nov 13, 2009 2:22 PM in response to Klaus1

I agree the load sign is on for about 1.5 ... 2 seconds. Then it takes another 1 minute 55 seconds for animation to begin. Is this your experience too?

I have repeated this test on my iMac, MacBook Pro, on my buddies MacBook Pro, on another buddy's Mac Pro, my son's iMac when using Safari. In each an every case FireFox loads and gets animation going in less time than it takes Safari to just load.

Please check and time the complete cycle.

Thanks
Jim

Nov 13, 2009 2:37 PM in response to Jim Oase

Which of course doesn't really help you! 🙂

So, as something is holding up your safari, try the following:

(First, if yours is an Intel Mac, check that Safari is not running in Rosetta, which is enough to slow it to a crawl. If you are running Snow Leopard, run Safari in 32 bit not 64 bit.)

Do you have enough RAM? Less than 1GB can cause slowness. Is your hard drive too full? Less than 15%, or 15GB, of free space can also cause slowness.

Adding DNS codes to your Network Settings, should gives good results in terms of speed-up as well as added security:

Open System Preferences/Network. Double click on your connection type, or select it in the drop-down menu, and in the box marked 'DNS Servers' add the following two numbers:

208.67.222.222
208.67.220.220

(You can also enter them if you click on Advanced and then DNS)

(An explanation of why that is both safe and a good idea can be read here: http://www.labnol.org/internet/tools/opendsn-what-is-opendns-why-required-2/2587 /

Open DNS also provides an anti-phishing feature: http://www.opendns.com/solutions/homenetwork/anti-phishing/ )

Wikipedia also has an interesting article about Open DNS:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDNS

Whilst in System Preferences/Network you should also turn off 'IPv6' in your preference pane, as otherwise you may not get the full speed benefit (the DNS resolver will default to making SRV queries). If you want to know what IPv6 is:

This is Apple's guidance on iPv6:

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?path=Mac/10.5/en/8708.html

Click on Apply Now and close the window.

Restart Safari, and repair permissions.

If that didn't do it, then try this as well:

Empty Safari's cache (from the Safari menu), then close Safari.

Go to Home/Library/Safari and delete the following files:

form values
download.plist

Then go to Home/Library/Preferences and delete

com.apple.Safari.plist

Repair permissions (in Disk Utility).

Start up Safari again, and things should have improved.

More useful information here:

http://guides.macrumors.com/SpeedupSafari

Nov 13, 2009 4:42 PM in response to Klaus1

Thanks Klaus1,

I did what you suggested. Time to animation dropped to about 45 seconds (first try), 30 seconds (second try). Scrolling at first is smooth. Repeatedly scrolling will result in jerky scroll operation.

I had Re: http://radar.weather.gov/Conus/full_loop.php running on another window, not tab, while initially typing this response. Entry was delayed such that even with my typing speed nothing would appear and suddenly 4 or 5 characters will appear. I have a background in keyboard design. The delayed keystroke appearance appears like a cache problem. Turning off the window running http://radar.weather.gov/Conus/full_loop.php returns typing response to normal.

I have 2 megs RAM, Safari is not running in Rosetta, my hard drive has 19 gigs free.
I have entered the DNS numbers suggested.

Our iMac G5, with all updates installed, loads and animation begins in about 12 seconds. However when animation is active scrolling is very jerky. Activity monitor shows CPU usage bouncing between 65% and 94%

Nov 13, 2009 5:47 PM in response to lkrupp

I agree lkrupp that this is an impressive site.

My comments are about Safari's performance while displaying this site. The problem is scrolling and CPU usage. Scrolling because its jerky and if this site running in another window causes keyboard entry delay. CPU usage which on my MacBook turns into battery eating performance as the fans rev up toward 6,000rpm.

The picture looks great... impact on CPU usage has unintended consequences.

Nov 13, 2009 6:43 PM in response to Jim Oase

Jim Oase wrote:
I agree lkrupp that this is an impressive site.

My comments are about Safari's performance while displaying this site. The problem is scrolling and CPU usage. Scrolling because its jerky and if this site running in another window causes keyboard entry delay. CPU usage which on my MacBook turns into battery eating performance as the fans rev up toward 6,000rpm.

The picture looks great... impact on CPU usage has unintended consequences.


But I'm not seeing what you are describing on my system. Scrolling smooth, motion is not jerky, cpu usage does not spike. Just because you see this on your system does not mean everybody has your "issue". I don't see it at all.

Nov 13, 2009 8:11 PM in response to sully63

I am beginning to think I have mystical powers. If you know me Safari and WebKit will act up on your system, strangers are safe.

I was starting to doubt my machine and my wife's iMac so I called my son and a buddy. Every machine exhibits the same characteristics. Our iMac G5 seems to load faster than our MacBook Pro 17", but both have the jerky scrolling and excessive CPU usage characteristic. My son in Oregon has an iMac G5 that has the same problem, jerky scrolling, excessive CPU usage. A buddy of mine in Minnesota says his two Macs, MacBook Pro and Intel iMac has jerky scrolling and excessive CPU.

So I am throughly puzzled at what is different between the machines of people I know and strangers.

Jim

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