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Flicker removal suggestions

I do a lot of work with time lapse photography/video and in a lot of cases, especially daytime shots, there is a flicker in the images due to the DSLR (Canon 5D and 20D) making slight shifts in the aperture for each frame despite having it set to a specific setting.

Here is an example of my problem: http://www.coyopa.com/flicker/flicker_test.mov

I've been trying to resolve this issue for many months. I've tried several different FCP/Motion cocktails and demoed any third party plugin I can find yet nothing seems to resolve the issue.

Here is my workflow. Shoot RAW files using the two cameras. Process the images in Lightroom and export full res jpegs or TIFFs. I've been trying to fix the flicker problem in Lightroom as well but that isn't working either. I then import them into FCP and create a 4000x2667 sequence for the full res jpegs. I then nest that sequence in a 1080p Pro Res HQ sequence for editing and motion effects.

There is one plugin I've found that seems to do exactly what I need but it is for After Effects and PC only: http://www.granitebaysoftware.com/Product_gbdeflicker.aspx

Can anyone point me in a direction of a similar plug in or have suggestions on how to create that effect using the Final Cut Studio tool set? I'm banging my head against the wall at this point.

Mac Pro Quad-Core Intel Xeon 2.93 GHz, Mac OS X (10.6.2)

Posted on Nov 14, 2009 11:02 AM

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Nov 14, 2009 1:29 PM in response to JonShearburn

I too am quite interest in time-lapse photography. The ability to shoot RAW and additionally have a final image in excess of 4K is quite appealing. So I'll share with you what I've learned over the past few months regarding flicker reduction. I'm going to approach this from two distinct spectrums of time: past and future. What I mean by that is: I don't know precisely how to eliminate flicker in any time lapses that you've already generated. On the up side: I do have some techniques for (mostly) eliminating flicker from sequences you shoot from here on out.

"Fixing the past"...

I've also heard about GeDeflicker. Sounds promising, when gauged by the results I've heard from others, on various forums, around the web. For a second or so I even considered, installing Windows (Boot Camp or virtually), getting a Win. version of AE, getting GeDeflicker and...then I came to my senses! That's a bunch of loot to pay to fix something that I really wanted to nail in the field. So I abandoned that concept about 4 seconds after realizing it.

Down the same path though is a free piece of software called "Virtual Dub". ( LINK). It's an open source image processing app. that can modify image sequences. Problem is that it also is Windows only. On the upside there's a free filter called "Deflicker" for Virtual Dub. And in the same arenas where I've heard compliments about GBDeflicker, I've heard equal if not better praise for this latter combination of free tools. VirtualDub + Deflicker. ( LINK) Windows XP Pro is pretty cheap on eBay now. So this is one path to consider.

Finally, regarding fixing your current sequences in FCP: I don't know. It's going to be tough and, frankly, probably never perfect. In theory you could keyframe the settings in the 3-way Color Corrector. But I wouldn't hope for miracles. Whatever success you can achieve depends on what's changing in the scene. Did you manually white-balance these shots? If so, there might be some hope. If not, that's one more thing - other than a pure "luma" shift that you're fighting. Trying to equalize chroma and luma across shots is going to be quite difficult in my opinion. Hopefully someone else can contribute more.

Don't know if you have AE for Mac. But there's an "effect" called Color Stabilizer. It actually does a nice job of fixing flicker. With one serious caveat! You can tell it whether you want to stabilize "levels", "brightness", or "curves". In our case we'd want brighness. The trick is that it's going to want you to pinpoint a black point and/or white point in the scene. That's fine if you planned for it and actually have these points to select. ie: something that is to be construed as CONSTANTLY black or white in the scene. If for instance you're shooting nothing but a moving sky then there is no constant white or black area. Now you're relegated to a frame-by-frame keyframing of one of these points throughout time. Ouch!

Now for the good news: I've discovered some truly helpful shooting techniques for reducing this flicker in the field. So hopefully these tips will help you in future as well.

1.) As you likely already know: manual shutter & aperture.

2.) Manual white balance. (Otherwise you'll likely have different color temps. across shots)

3.) Other people have suggested trying to use as slow a shutter as possible. So this might require stacking up some neutral density filters to get a slower shutter in bright light. But the theory is that this reduces any shutter speed inconsistencies. For example, if you're exposing (theoretically) for .1 seconds but theres a .01 fluctuation across shots that's a 10% change in shutter speed. If you, however, are exposing for 8 seconds with the same .01 second fluctuation, then that's only .125% change. Much less percentage change! Either way. I don't worry about this so much. I've had success with reducing flicker with shots that were all well exposed for fractions of a second. And that's because of the final tip, I think...

4.) Lock the aperture! You made mention of setting a precise aperture. So you probably already realize what I'm about to say, but I'm going to throw it out there regardless, for others that might stumble upon this. On old-school lenses when you dialed in the aperture, there were physical moving parts that slid into place and REMAINED there. With modern DSLRs this is not the case. The bodies control the aperture and they literally force the aperture into position ever single time you fire a shot. So there's room for error. The aperture does NOT land in the absolute precise spot every time. This variance, be it ever so subtle, is still enough to cause a visible flicker when the images are played back consecutively.

However, with Canon cameras there is a workaround. Set your aperture, shutter speed and white balance. Before you start shooting, push the little "Depth of Field Preview button" beside the lens. This flys the aperture into it's soon-to-be shooting position. While holding this button, push the button to release the lens as though you were going to remove it. Twist the lens the slightest amount possible to release the contacts between the lens and body. The result: the aperture remains locked in space and time. It won't be constantly moving into position, relaxing, into position, relaxing. There are (at least) two issues I know of: this lens-twist requires the smallest movement!! If it's too large you're going to get camera errors and zero shots fired. Secondly, the lens-twist is going to break the communication of aperture reporting into the EXIF info. ie: each shot is going to appear to have it's aperture be 00. You can fix this with other tools. ( LINK) (Beware, it's not necessarily elegant: You'll be diving into OS X's Terminal.) But for me, it's somewhat irrelevant and certainly not a deal-breaker!

So that's the key piece to this puzzle in my mind: truly maintaining as many constants as possible. And this lens-twist trick seems to be the capstone for me. Here are some links:

My 1st ever time lapse. Flicker is prominent. And it's because I had Auto White Balance set. And I did knot yet know of about the lens trick.

2nd time lapse. Even with blue skies and clouds, aperture drifts can bring on obvious variations. I really just don't see it here. Here I've employed manual everything + lens twist.

3rd time lapse. Same parameters as second example. No flicker.

Finally, I'd hang out over here: Timescapes.org. There's a great forum. In fact, that's where I learned most of the info I'm passing on here. Great group of people. Highly skilled, knowledgable & open to sharing. Huge resource for the time lapse community.

Hope this helps some! Again, I know I didn't really talk much about fixing these sequences in FCP (or other components of the suite.) But if you've got AE for your Mac then I'd start there with the Color Stabilizer. Behind the scenes, it's operations are very similar to what GeDeflicker does.

Best regards,
Kevin

Nov 14, 2009 3:18 PM in response to Kevin Brock

Kevin, thanks for the link to the timelapse forum, new to me.

I approach all of my recent timelapse work differently, not to say it's correct. I see no reason to shoot raw (NEF with the Nikons), just a waste of space since I'm going to 1080 video, that's only as large as the frame really needs to be and I just shoot jpegs. Panning within the shot is something I prefer to do live while shooting and, if I get good enough at it, I will obtain an indexed pano head or invest in a servo-microstepper.

I think most of us discover quickly that manual and locked exposure drifts a bit. On the Nikon D2 it's about 1/3 stop and for skyscapes it's a disturbing artifact.. I process all of the jpegs in Photoshop to level out the values. I cannot tell you how that works, it's magic as as I am concerned, buddy of mine built a little script for me.

bogiesan

Nov 16, 2009 10:09 AM in response to JonShearburn

Regarding the flicker issues....I'd never heard of this until today. But it'd be worth a try I suppose. FurnaceCore for FCP.

Says, "...Based on Apple’s FxPlug standard, FurnaceCore for Final Cut Pro includes:

DeFlicker is a fully automated plug-in designed to remove luminance flicker in a sequence. It can remove multiple over-lapping phase different flickers, while adapting to cope with motion in the sequence...."

Nov 16, 2009 11:14 AM in response to Kevin Brock

Hi everyone. Thanks for your suggestions and help.

Every photographer I've talked to says Lightroom can do what I'm looking for it to but none can give me insight on how to get there. It's frustrating.

Ideally we will be able to shoot properly in the first place but I feel there has to be an non Windows software solution to this problem.

The issue with my current project is I'm shooting week long time lapses and I am unable to check the camera everyday so fully manual isn't really going to work. We set up the shots on Tuesdays so if we expose for a nice sunny day on a Tuesday and it's gray and overcast on Wednesday, that's a different issue we have. We set the white balance and shoot in AV mode on the Canon 50/20D. That "locks" the aperture and then adjusts the shutter which we know is part of the problem. Tomorrow we are trying new thicker ND filters and are going to set one of the three cameras up manual to see if we can do a whole week like that without ruining the shot.

The lens trick worries me, especially with this project. We have the cameras in metal enclosures 15 feet in the air and have someone changing the batteries everyday. I'm worried they will knock the lens out of place without knowing and we will lose the week's shot.

I just found the timescapes forum last week. There is a lot of information there but it seems it's mostly Windows related although I haven't had too much time to really get into things over there.

I have tried the Furnace plugin and it takes way too long to render a 5-10 second shot (at least an hour on a 2 year old mac pro) to experiment with the plugin. What little I was able to do with it before the demo expired I was not happy with at all.

I would be very willing to give your Photoshop action script a try if you're willing to share.

Again, thanks for all of the suggestions. Keep them coming.

Nov 16, 2009 1:14 PM in response to Kevin Brock

Is that to say it is a Photoshop action? Care to share it with us? I'd certainly be interested in seeing more. < </div>

You're going to be disappointed, all I do is run auto levels. Any serious tweaking has to be done on a an individual basis.
But you've gone on to describe an industrial shoot that is the worst case scenario for just about everything. You're going to be forced to accept the stylization of some of your footage or you are going to be forced to manually process the few out-of-limit frames you will get in each day's run.

Hope you get it figured out, droo in every now and then and tell us what's happening. You are going to end up being the timelapse guru (nut case or whack job) when you're 1/3 of the way into the production.

bogiesan

Nov 22, 2009 10:24 AM in response to JonShearburn

JonShearburn wrote:
Hi everyone. Thanks for your suggestions and help.

...but I feel there has to be an non Windows software solution to this problem.


So I'm guessing that you don't have After Effects? If so, try the Color Stabilizer. If not, we're talking about a $1,000 endeavor. And a bunch of work, to boot. But I get it - I'm all about avoiding Windows as much as possible my self. But for $150 you can get a (completely legit) copy of XP Pro and go to work. The other components are free: Boot Camp + Virtual Dub + DeFlicker plugin.

At least we've got this option. I know it might not be the most appealing. But if it works, it works. Besides, think if the tables were turned and you were strictly a "Windows Guy" and the purported solution was Mac-only. You'd be off to the Apple Store to write a massive check. You'd be buying a computer AND software. At least, as Mac users, we've got pretty painless access to the Windows world - when we need it. It's up to you. But I wouldn't rule this out.

We set the white balance and shoot in AV mode on the Canon 50/20D. That "locks" the aperture and then adjusts the shutter which we know is part of the problem. Tomorrow we are trying new thicker ND filters and are going to set one of the three cameras up manual to see if we can do a whole week like that without ruining the shot.


I understand why you're shooting this way. (In AV mode.) It's going to make things tough. I'd like to hear more about how the full manual tests go though.

The lens trick worries me, especially with this project. We have the cameras in metal enclosures 15 feet in the air and have someone changing the batteries everyday. I'm worried they will knock the lens out of place without knowing and we will lose the week's shot.


In your case then, it's a little risky. It's not impossible to handle the camera without knocking the lens out of whack. However, this whole concept is moot if you're forced to shoot in AV mode: The fluctuations in exposure, from the constant shutter speed changes, will far out-weigh the all the "advantages" of the lens twist.

Good luck with it all. I'd like to hear more about your find out along the way! Keep us posted.

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