8 Replies Latest reply: Mar 2, 2010 5:50 AM by Rexeany
robval Level 1 (10 points)

Sorry for this long post but I hope this will help other users of Front Row.

This is how I create a testmovie.mov file from an DVD, TS_FOLDER or other source and the subtitles (soft) will work in Front Row, Quicktime, iTunes, without Perian or other special plugin. In my case the subtitle is NOT burn into the video. It is a track in the testmovie.mov file.

Also I use Elgato turbo h.264 HD to speed up coding. Not necessary.

1. Create a .m4v movie file (h.264 codec)

In my case I start the application that comes with Elgato turbo h.264 HD device, called Turbo.264.HD

2. Drop the DVD, TS_FOLDER or other video to convert, onto Turbo.264.HD application or other video converting application.

3. Click on the little "i" info symbol and the select Audio. The source maybe contains different languages. Click OK.

4. Select Format. In my case "Apple TV" format (I will use this video on my Mac Mini). Click Start. After a while the video is finished. In this example I call it testmovie.m4v

5. Download subtitles from Internet. Google: subtitles download

6. Open the testmovie.m4v in RoadMovie application. This application works for me, but there may be others. http://www.bitfield.se/roadmovie

7. In RoadMovie, click on Subtitles button and then open the downloaded subtitle file. In this example called testmovie.srt Also, click on the "little eye" Preview. In this view you can adjust the time offset for the subtitle to sync with the video.

8. In RoadMovie select "Export for: Flattened". This will create a testmovie.mov file with a new subtitle track in it, without ecoding the video.

9. Open testmovie.mov in, in my case, Quicktime Pro and the select Show Movie Properties.

10. Select the video track and set the Transparency to Composition. Layer 0

11. Select the subtitle track and set Transparency to Straight Alpha. Layer 0

12. Save changes and close Quicktime Pro

13. Move the testmovie.mov to Movies folder

14. Start Front Row and select Movies->Movies Folder->testmovie.mov



MacBook Pro, Mac OS X (10.6.2)
  • robval Level 1 (10 points)
    Hi again,

    I just want to say that the reason I'm doing this is to use the Elgato turbo h.264 HD for speeding things up.

    Otherwise one can use Handbrake, to get burned in subtitles in video.

  • Gunny Sack Level 1 (40 points)
    Why not just use iSubtitle, which does soft subs?
  • robval Level 1 (10 points)

    As far as I know iSubtle cannot import DVD or TS_FOLDER directly.

    Also, the main issue I decribe is that soft subtitle is not supported as default in Front Row. Many users has this problem.

    You have to do the last steps, with Transparency described. I mailed the developer about this and he said that Front Row and soft subtitles didn't work at all, but I noticed this workaround.

    But ofcourse if you import other thing than DVDs, iSubtitle works fine. BTW its the same developer as RoadMovie which I too as an example.

  • Gunny Sack Level 1 (40 points)

    Does your method just display the soft subs or does it also allow you to toggle the subs on and off from within Front Row's GUI? Because that's the one thing I wish I could do with Front Row.
  • Vangelis151 Level 1 (0 points)
    I followed the steps and as miracle it worked!But......When i put the same file movie in my iTunes library the screen turns to white!Any suggestions?
  • drukepple Level 1 (5 points)
    So, as far as I can tell, it's a one-or-the-other situation. Either Front Row doesn't display subtitles (actually, no video at all), or it does (with this workaround). Can't seem to toggle them. If anyone knows of a better way...

    So, good job in finding a (multi-step, multi-application, convoluted) way to get this to work, but I'd hardly call this "solved." Don't get me wrong, I'd have never figured this out in a million years. Just...not quite ideal, is it?

    I gave Plex a spin, and while it does offer the ability, in theory, to toggle subtitles, I haven't been able to get it to work, either with with this trick or without. I can't believe this is so hard to get right...Apple, if you're listening, there are people who use Front Row. Keep working on it! How about using that middle button of the remote for bringing up an options menu for the currently playing track, rather than duplicating the play/pause button?

    Sorry, just frustrated; I finally got a Mac Mini for hooking up to the TV, and now I'm discovering how hard this is.
  • ::alicea Level 1 (0 points)
    I am also using my Mac Mini for digital entertainment. I watch a lot of anime, and only like to watch in original Japanese audio with English subtitles. It's too bad that Apple hasn't worked this out. I'm curious as to whether or not the same issues would apply on the Apple TV. I would imagine so.

    Either way, I have already left a feedback to Apple regarding this issue.
    Everyone should make sure to leave a feedback so that Apple does hear about the issue.
    Just go to their feedback page for Mac OS issues: http://www.apple.com/feedback/macosx.html

    Good luck to us all!
  • Rexeany Level 1 (0 points)
    Work also for me. But in this way I have a .mov file. There is a way to make all modifications to a .m4v file and save it as .m4v? Without changing to .mov?